z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)

[Miklos Szigetvari]

Hi

Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?
(In this case the user can access the mainframe only via TSO certificates)
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Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.

[John McKown]

Ouch! I can imagine such a thing. But it would really only work "properly"
if the writer of the TSO program is an expert in how to use GDDM in order
to render multiple fonts as well as GIF, PNG, or JPEG images on a TN3270
emulator which supports GDDM graphs. In my opinion, this is a serious waste
of talent. I don't know what a "z/OS WIKI" really is. We don't host a Wiki
on z/OS, although I do have a Wiki running on a <blech> Windows IIS box
which is z/OS oriented (internal use only).

Instead of a Wiki being on z/OS, I (personally) would probably just keep
the Wiki entries in z/OS UNIX files in "Markdown" format (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ) Basically markdown is a very
simple, human readable, format for documentation. It's main plus is that if
it is done correctly, it is simple to render into HTML (there are programs
to do this) while being perfectly readable as-is by people.


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Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.
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[Kirk Wolf]

If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution,
http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have
heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info.

We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the
exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat
package available free from our website:
https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

Post by John McKown
Ouch! I can imagine such a thing. But it would really only work "properly"
if the writer of the TSO program is an expert in how to use GDDM in order
to render multiple fonts as well as GIF, PNG, or JPEG images on a TN3270
emulator which supports GDDM graphs. In my opinion, this is a serious waste
of talent. I don't know what a "z/OS WIKI" really is. We don't host a Wiki
on z/OS, although I do have a Wiki running on a <blech> Windows IIS box
which is z/OS oriented (internal use only).
Instead of a Wiki being on z/OS, I (personally) would probably just keep
the Wiki entries in z/OS UNIX files in "Markdown" format (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ) Basically markdown is a very
simple, human readable, format for documentation. It's main plus is that if
it is done correctly, it is simple to render into HTML (there are programs
to do this) while being perfectly readable as-is by people.
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <

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Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html>
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[Mike Schwab]

Lynx runs under Unix System Services (z/Unix).

On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)

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Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT
ISO position; see <http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html>
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Post by Mike Schwab
Lynx runs under Unix System Services (z/Unix).

There is an OMVS shell for running Unix under TSO, but can you render
wiki pages with a text browser?

[Jon Perryman]

You could try the Wikipedia XML interface to extract data thru the internet. If that doesn't provide the functionality you need, then Wikipedia, mediawiki and probably other products have WIKI API's. See if one of those API's is compatible with z/OS and provides the information you need.

Jon Perryman.


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Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.

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[Paul Gilmartin]

Post by Kirk Wolf
If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution,
http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have
heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info.
We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the
exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat
https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html

Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your
choice of server on desktop?

-- gil

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[Jousma, David]

We run it. Accessed via Web browser.

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Post by Kirk Wolf
If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution,
http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have
heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info.
We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the
exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat
https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html

Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop?

-- gil

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[Paul Gilmartin]

Post by Jousma, David
We run it. Accessed via Web browser.

Yes, but is that Web browser runing on the mainframe? If not,
how is this considered "access from a mianframe?"

I suppose this depends on the sense of the ambiguous prepositional
adverb "from", left ambiguous by the OP. Either:

I can view the Orion Nebula from my back yard, or:

Observing in my backyard, I can view light from the Orion Nebula.

Likwise:

I can view a WIKI as I work from a mainframe, or:

Viewing elsewhere, I can view a WIKI served by a mainframe.

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Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop?

-- gil

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[Jousma, David]

Gotcha, missed that part of the requirement.

I will however say that the wiki pages are readable text files. So one could go read the Unix filesystem directly if you knew the files you were asking for.

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Post by Jousma, David
We run it. Accessed via Web browser.

Yes, but is that Web browser runing on the mainframe? If not, how is this considered "access from a mianframe?"

I suppose this depends on the sense of the ambiguous prepositional adverb "from", left ambiguous by the OP. Either:

I can view the Orion Nebula from my back yard, or:

Observing in my backyard, I can view light from the Orion Nebula.

Likwise:

I can view a WIKI as I work from a mainframe, or:

Viewing elsewhere, I can view a WIKI served by a mainframe.

Post by Jousma, David
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Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop?

-- gil

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Post by Jousma, David
I will however say that the wiki pages are readable text files.

And not much harder to parse than HTML.

[Kirk Wolf]

Sorry Gil, I was following list standards and throwing out information
that didn't really answer the OP's question :-)

JspWiki (and all Wikis that I am aware of) are HTML / web applications. I
don't know of a web browser client that runs under TSO (or why that is an
idea worth consideration :-)

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

Post by Paul Gilmartin

Post by Kirk Wolf
If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution,
http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I

have

Post by Kirk Wolf
heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info.
We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the
exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat
https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html

Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your
choice of server on desktop?
-- gil
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[Joel C. Ewing]

Post by shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)

Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.

I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run under
TSO to display the documentation on a 3270. I can't imagine running
z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity, especially since TSO 3270
access these days usually uses a 3270 emulator on a workstation platform
and TN3270 over TCP/IP, and if workstation browser access to a mainframe
web server is broken, TSO access is probably dead also. Even at our DR
exercises LAN connectivity to laptops and desktops was always available
early in the game.

Copies of any documentation needed to get z/OS and TCP/IP up should
always be in some form (memory sticks, smart phones, CD/DVD, external
hard drives, or in hard copy) where it can be accessed without z/OS. It
makes sense to keep the authoritative current documentation for z/OS on
the z/OS platform itself, but this doesn't preclude keeping copies on
alternate media/platforms and in forms that are adequate to get z/OS
with TCP/IP up and functional. Once z/OS is functional, it makes no
sense to disallow or not require that browsers on other platforms better
suited to rendering graphics and decent fonts be the mode of access.

If the desire is to keep all that documentation in a wiki database on
z/OS, there are surely utilities that can export the wiki database from
z/OS in some form that would satisfy the emergency availability
requirements. For that matter it probably wouldn't be that difficult
with a laptop running some flavor of Linux to configure it to run a web
server with wiki support and provide for it to re-sync its database to
the z/OS wiki database with appropriate frequency.

[shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

Post by Joel C. Ewing
I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run
under TSO to display the documentation on a 3270.

The OP wrote "In this case the user can access the mainframe only via
TSO certificates." That narrows his options.

Post by Joel C. Ewing
I can't imagine running z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity,

I've seen plenty of posts here from people who have to live with
firewall rules that make their lives more difficult than necessary.
Note that I am not defending such rules; I consider them to be a
RPITA.

[Paul Gilmartin]

Post by Kirk Wolf
Sorry Gil, I was following list standards and throwing out information
that didn't really answer the OP's question :-)

Thanks. We need more adherence to standards.

Post by Kirk Wolf
JspWiki (and all Wikis that I am aware of) are HTML / web applications. I
don't know of a web browser client that runs under TSO (or why that is an
idea worth consideration :-)

Lynx (mentioned earlier). Was a coding exercise for me (and a reaffirmation
that EBCDIC is a PITA. Has anyone else taken up the banner?)

Lynx is Javascript-ignorant; code page restricted, and requires plugins for any
graphics or audio resources. May be practical on other platforms; surely not
on z/OS. It interfaces nicely (nichely?) to Braille and audio output devices.

And, it interfaces nicely to the moribund Publibz and LOOKAT.

Post by Kirk Wolf

Post by shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)

Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?

The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under
TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be
an issue.

Shmuel was simply taking a plausible, though less likely, interpretation of
the OP's question.

Post by Kirk Wolf
I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run under
TSO to display the documentation on a 3270. I can't imagine running
z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity, especially since TSO 3270
access these days usually uses a 3270 emulator on a workstation platform
and TN3270 over TCP/IP, and if workstation browser access to a mainframe
web server is broken, TSO access is probably dead also. Even at our DR
exercises LAN connectivity to laptops and desktops was always available
early in the game.

Some of our test systems are so limited; I don't know whether for economic
or other reasons. I have needed to move data sets to them via shared DASD
because FTP is unavailable. Terminal access may be available via VTAM.

-- gil

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[Miklos Szigetvari]

Hi

Thank you for all the answers, I gave up this, but seems to
"simple" to export/import
the WIKI text files to PC. I say "simple" as I got some viruses during
the WIKI/Tomact download ..., and
I'm using the DATASET reference in the documentation so something
instead of the DATASET reference , and the user can have
a document on his PC (not online , not actual ).

Post by Miklos Szigetvari
Hi
Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ?
(In this case the user can access the mainframe only via TSO
certificates)

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Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Miklos Szigetvari

Research& Development
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