TSO and national characters

[R.S.]

TSO doesn't display national characters (there are plenty of them in
Polish).
When you do
SAY 'text with national characters'
in REXX instead of them ':' is displayed.

Q. Can it be changed ?

[Charles Mills]

Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?

Charles



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TSO doesn't display national characters (there are plenty of them in
Polish).
When you do
SAY 'text with national characters'
in REXX instead of them ':' is displayed.

Q. Can it be changed ?

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Post by Charles Mills
Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?

Well, if he's editing the REXX exec in ISPF and then getting his
national characters converted to ':' when running it, I'd say it's TSO
and/or REXX he's asking about.
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[Charles Mills]

It's hard to separate the effects of the two components. You can't see
TSO without the emulator, and you can't drive the emulator without TSO
(absent VM/CMS or an AS/400). I have had the experience of thinking "TSO
displays such and such" when in fact the problem is more complicated
than that: "TSO displays something that appears as such-and-such in my
emulator."

Charles



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Post by Charles Mills
Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?

Well, if he's editing the REXX exec in ISPF and then getting his
national characters converted to ':' when running it, I'd say it's TSO
and/or REXX he's asking about.

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[R.S.]

Post by Charles Mills
It's hard to separate the effects of the two components. You can't see
TSO without the emulator, and you can't drive the emulator without TSO
(absent VM/CMS or an AS/400). I have had the experience of thinking "TSO
displays such and such" when in fact the problem is more complicated
than that: "TSO displays something that appears as such-and-such in my
emulator."

I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the emulator/terminal. It also
has nothing to do with VTAM, USSTAB, etc.
Prove:
Polish characters are displayed on the screen. I can type them, I can
see them. Environments: IPSF (editor, browse), CICS.


REXX properly 'says' these characters. They appear OK when I submit
REXX-TSO-in-batch, that is run REXX in a jobstep with PGM=IKJEFT01 and
SYSTSPRT is directed to DASD.

The characters don't appear on the screen, when I execute the REXX (or
CLIST) in the foreground.

[shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

Post by Charles Mills
It's hard to separate the effects of the two components. You can't
see TSO without the emulator, and you can't drive the emulator
without TSO (absent VM/CMS or an AS/400).

Huh? It's trivial to disentangle them, and you can see either one
without the other.
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[R.S.]

Post by Edward E. Jaffe

Post by Charles Mills
Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?

Well, if he's editing the REXX exec in ISPF and then getting his
national characters converted to ':' when running it, I'd say it's TSO
and/or REXX he's asking about.

Ed,
Good point, I obviously see these chracters when editing members. The
problem is when TSO displays it.
It is *NOT* non-printable character, which is displayed as '.' (the same
as in USA).
It is not problem with my terminal - the behaviour is the same for any
flavor of device/emulator. As I mentioned, I see 'polish' characters on
my screen, I can input them from my keyboard, the only problem is TSO. I
don't see when I SAY with REXX, WRITE with CLIST or i.e. display RACF
commands (profiles with DATA field).

A little bit different problem exist in SDSF - polish characters are not
displayed (also) and replaced with blank.

[Edward E. Jaffe]

Post by R.S.
A little bit different problem exist in SDSF - polish characters are
not displayed (also) and replaced with blank.

SDSF does support a fairly robust set of code pages that can be used. I
don't know which is most appropriate for Poland.

CP00037 USA/Canada - CECP
CP00273 Germany F.R./Austria - CECP
CP00275 Brazil - CECP
CP00277 Denmark, Norway - CECP
CP00278 Finland, Sweden - CECP
CP00280 Italy - CECP
CP00281 Japan (Latin) - CECP
CP00284 Spain/Latin America - CECP
CP00285 United Kingdom - CECP
CP00290 Japanese (Katakana) Extended
CP00297 France - CECP
CP00420 Arabic, Bilingual
CP00424 Israel (Hebrew) Extended
CP00500 International #5
CP00803 Hebrew Character Set A
CP00833 Korean Extended
CP00836 Simplfied Chinese Extended
CP00870 Latin 2/Multilingual/ROECE
CP00871 Iceland - CECP
CP00875 Greece
CP01025 Cyrillic, Multilingual
CP01026 Latin 5/Turkey
CP01027 Japanese (Latin) Extended
CP01047 Latin 1/Open systems
CP01112 Baltic, Multilingual
CP01122 Estonia
CP01140 ECECP USA, Canada, Netherlands, Portugal, Brazil,
Australia, New Zealand
CP01141 ECECP Austria, Germany
CP01142 ECECP Denmark, Norway
CP01143 ECECP Finland, Sweden
CP01144 ECECP Italy
CP01145 ECECP Spain, Latin America (Spanish)
CP01146 ECECP UK
CP01147 ECECP France
CP01148 ECECP Belgium, Canada, Switzerland
CP01149 ECECP Iceland
CP01153 EBCDIC Latin 2 Multilingual with Euro Extended
CP01159 T-Chinese EBCDIC
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[R.S.]

870 or 1153 is OK for Poland.

However... how can I set codepage in SDSF ???
I've never seen such option.
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Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland

Post by Edward E. Jaffe

Post by R.S.
A little bit different problem exist in SDSF - polish characters are
not displayed (also) and replaced with blank.

SDSF does support a fairly robust set of code pages that can be used. I
don't know which is most appropriate for Poland.
CP00037 USA/Canada - CECP
CP00273 Germany F.R./Austria - CECP
CP00275 Brazil - CECP
CP00277 Denmark, Norway - CECP
CP00278 Finland, Sweden - CECP
CP00280 Italy - CECP
CP00281 Japan (Latin) - CECP
CP00284 Spain/Latin America - CECP
CP00285 United Kingdom - CECP
CP00290 Japanese (Katakana) Extended
CP00297 France - CECP
CP00420 Arabic, Bilingual
CP00424 Israel (Hebrew) Extended
CP00500 International #5
CP00803 Hebrew Character Set A
CP00833 Korean Extended
CP00836 Simplfied Chinese Extended
CP00870 Latin 2/Multilingual/ROECE
CP00871 Iceland - CECP
CP00875 Greece
CP01025 Cyrillic, Multilingual
CP01026 Latin 5/Turkey
CP01027 Japanese (Latin) Extended
CP01047 Latin 1/Open systems
CP01112 Baltic, Multilingual
CP01122 Estonia
CP01140 ECECP USA, Canada, Netherlands, Portugal, Brazil,
Australia, New Zealand
CP01141 ECECP Austria, Germany
CP01142 ECECP Denmark, Norway
CP01143 ECECP Finland, Sweden
CP01144 ECECP Italy
CP01145 ECECP Spain, Latin America (Spanish)
CP01146 ECECP UK
CP01147 ECECP France
CP01148 ECECP Belgium, Canada, Switzerland
CP01149 ECECP Iceland
CP01153 EBCDIC Latin 2 Multilingual with Euro Extended
CP01159 T-Chinese EBCDIC

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[Edward E. Jaffe]

Post by R.S.
870 or 1153 is OK for Poland.
However... how can I set codepage in SDSF ???
I've never seen such option.

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[Shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

Post by Edward E. Jaffe
Well, if he's editing the REXX exec in ISPF and then getting his
national characters converted to ':' when running it, I'd say it's
TSO and/or REXX he's asking about.

Why? TSO is unlikely and REXX is even less likely.
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In a message dated 2/10/2005 11:10:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,
***@MCN.ORG writes:

Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?
Exactly, most emulators allow you to choose the ISO code page
and whether non-display are '.' or ' '.

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[Ted MacNEIL]

..
Is it TSO or your emulator that is displaying them as ":"?
..

In my experience, it's TPUT (linear-mode)
that's doing this.

On an ISPF Panel, it's handled differently.

My experience goes back to -2 technology (green screen
even before the first IBM 'graphic'
displays came out).

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[Shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

In <882776281-1108064671-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-8582-@engine107>,
on 02/10/2005

Post by Ted MacNEIL
My experience goes back to -2 technology

You had 3278's?
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[Norbert Friemel]

Post by R.S.
TSO doesn't display national characters (there are plenty of them in
Polish).
When you do
SAY 'text with national characters'
in REXX instead of them ':' is displayed.
Q. Can it be changed ?

A. Yes, if you ZAP the translation table in module IKT32OTR. I'm using a
usermod to suppress the translation of (some) german umlauts and other
characters:

++VER(Z038) FMID(HVT510A).
++ZAP(IKT32OTR).
NAME IKT32OTR
VER 0AE6 7A7A
VER 0AFC 7A7A
VER 0B06 7A7A
VER 0B44 7A7A
VER 0B58 7A7A
VER 0B5E 7A7A
VER 0B64 7AC1
VER 0B74 7AD1
VER 0B80 7A7A
VER 0B84 7A7A
VER 0B90 7A7A
VER 0BA0 7A7A
REP 0AE6 7A43 Left curly bracket
REP 0AFC 7A59 Tilde
REP 0B06 7A63 Right curly bracket
REP 0B44 7AA1 Sharp s
REP 0B58 7AB5 At sign
REP 0B5E 7ABB Vertical bar
REP 0B64 C0C1 Small a, umlaut
REP 0B74 D0D1 Small u, umlaut
REP 0B80 DC7A Left square bracket
REP 0B84 E07A Capital O, umlaut
REP 0B90 EC7A Backslash
REP 0BA0 FC7A Right square bracket

I had to change the offsets with every release/version (since HVT3205,
1990/91?) but it's not too hard to find the start of the table in a dump.
IPL with CLPA is required.

Norbert Friemel

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In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:43:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,

SAY 'text with national characters'
in REXX instead of them ':' is displayed.
Q. Can it be changed ?

Optionally with USSTAB?

__ ____________ __>

|_TABLE=name_|

macroinstructions: USSTAB
dependencies: none

Specifies a translation table to be used by VTAM to translate

character-coded commands. If the table is not part of the module
containing USSTAB, an EXTRN statement must be coded for the specified
name.

If no translation table is specified, VTAM uses the translation table
associated with the IBM-supplied USS table (or its user-written
replacement). If the IBM-supplied table (or its user-written replacement)
does not have a translation table, VTAM does no character translation.

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[Charles Mills]

I believe by "character coded commands" they mean LOGON (the VTAM
command, not the TSO command) and a few things like that.

Charles



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In a message dated 2/10/2005 6:43:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,

SAY 'text with national characters'
in REXX instead of them ':' is displayed.
Q. Can it be changed ?

Optionally with USSTAB?

__ ____________ __>

|_TABLE=name_|

macroinstructions: USSTAB
dependencies: none

Specifies a translation table to be used by VTAM to translate

character-coded commands. If the table is not part of the module
containing USSTAB, an EXTRN statement must be coded for the specified
name.

If no translation table is specified, VTAM uses the translation table
associated with the IBM-supplied USS table (or its user-written
replacement). If the IBM-supplied table (or its user-written
replacement) does not have a translation table, VTAM does no character
translation.

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[Ted MacNEIL]

..

Post by Ted MacNEIL
My experience goes back to -2 technology

You had 3278's?
..

And, 3276's.
1981 -- just out of university.
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