Obsolete/Obsolescent JCL Parameters (Was: Oldest active infor mation system)

[Craddock, Chris]

Ed said;

I keep finding 'DCB=' coded in JCL around here. Old-style
specifications
like DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=3120) drive me nuts!

It wasn't a long drive :-)

(agreed on the DCB= by the way)

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[Edward E. Jaffe]

Post by Craddock, Chris
It wasn't a long drive :-)

That's what my daughter always complains about. Poor kid. ;-)
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[K***@ibm-main.lst]

How about the very old ROLL parameter on the JOB card ROLL=(YES,NO) Still
put into the internal text by the reader/interrupter, but has no action.


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Post by Craddock, Chris
It wasn't a long drive :-)

That's what my daughter always complains about. Poor kid. ;-)

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[Edward E. Jaffe]

Post by K***@ibm-main.lst
How about the very old ROLL parameter on the JOB card ROLL=(YES,NO) Still
put into the internal text by the reader/interrupter, but has no action.

And that parameter appeared in IBM's Serverpac jobs until September 2003!

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[Greg Shirey]

I freaked out a guy at our DR site. I was coding a job to copy a PDS from
our tape onto a volume on their floor system and used "LIKE=" on the output
DD. (SMS was active, so it worked - much to his surprise.)

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Ben E. Keith Company

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I keep finding 'DCB=' coded in JCL around here. Old-style specifications
like DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=80,BLKSIZE=3120) drive me nuts!

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[John Kalinich]

How about DISP=SHARE? Works as designed, but not documented in many
places. I discovered it in a MVT JCL book.

Regards,
John Kalinich
Computer Sciences Corp

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How about the very old ROLL parameter on the JOB card
ROLL=(YES,NO) Still put into the internal text by the
reader/interrupter, but has no action.

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[Bruce Black]

Post by John Kalinich
How about DISP=SHARE?

amazing, it does work! I am surprised that IBM doesn't document it,
since I suspect DISP=SHR is the cause of a lot of JCL errors from novice
JCL users.
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[shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

In <***@scsmail.scsnet.csc.com>,
on 02/07/2005

Post by John Kalinich
How about DISP=SHARE?

What about it? It's documented in the appropriate manuals.

Post by John Kalinich
but not documented in many places.

Why should it be documented in many places? Did you look at the JCL
reference manual and user's guide? Where else would the documentation
belong?
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[Bruce Black]

Post by shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)
Why should it be documented in many places? Did you look at the JCL
reference manual and user's guide? Where else would the documentation
belong?

Seymour is right, I missed it the first time. In the JCL Ref, under
DISP it says

SHR
Indicates that the data set exists before this step and that other
jobs can share it, that is, use it at the same time. This subparameter
can also be coded as SHARE.
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[Binyamin Dissen]

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:15:33 -0500 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)"
<shmuel+ibm-***@PATRIOT.NET> wrote:

:>In <***@scsmail.scsnet.csc.com>,
:>on 02/07/2005
:> at 09:45 AM, John Kalinich <***@SCSNET.CSC.COM> said:

:>>How about DISP=SHARE?

:>What about it? It's documented in the appropriate manuals.

Well, neither DISPOSITION=(NEW,CATALOG) nor DISP=(NEW,CATALOG) work.

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[Bruce Black]

Post by Binyamin Dissen
Well, neither DISPOSITION=(NEW,CATALOG) nor DISP=(NEW,CATALOG) work.

and neither of the alternate forms of DISP and CATLG are documented, so
there is no reason to expect them to work. But DISP=SHARE is documented
as an alternate spelling
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[shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)]

Post by Binyamin Dissen
Well, neither DISPOSITION=(NEW,CATALOG) nor DISP=(NEW,CATALOG) work.

I don't recall CATALOG as ever having been documented, whereas SHARE
was. My point was that the only relevant manuals were the JCL manuals,
which is where SHARE is doucmented.

Am I the only one who is unhappy about all of the language and
application manuals that contain abbreviated and often incorrect
tutorials on JCL instead of referring the users to the proper manuals?
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[Phil Payne]

Post by shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)
Am I the only one who is unhappy about all of the language and
application manuals that contain abbreviated and often incorrect
tutorials on JCL instead of referring the users to the proper manuals?

One of the reasons I would like to see wholesale adoption of HTML.

[Ron and Jenny Hawkins]

Shmuel,

Wholehearted agreement from me. Pet peeve of mine is companies that write
JCL standards that are simply a Reader's Digest version of the JCL Manual.

Ron

Post by shmuel+ (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.)
Am I the only one who is unhappy about all of the language and
application manuals that contain abbreviated and often incorrect
tutorials on JCL instead of referring the users to the proper manuals?
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[Ted MacNEIL]

..
How about DISP=SHARE?
..

I used that, and DSNAME=, for the first
15 years I was working.
That's how I was taught, in my first year as a JCL-Jockey in Production Support.


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[Chase, John]

Post by K***@ibm-main.lst
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[ snip ]
Am I the only one who is unhappy about all of the language
and application manuals that contain abbreviated and often
incorrect tutorials on JCL instead of referring the users to
the proper manuals?

You are not alone.

-jc-

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[Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM]

I don't hate DCB, it's just funny for me.
However there's big difference here: DCB *is documented*, while SEP
isn't, DCB sometimes is required for some subparameters, while SEP is
totally ignored.
I knew another 'dead' but syntactically correct keywrod, but I forgot
it, anybody can remain it/these ?

AFF. And a few others.

False.
AFF is still documented and still supported (with some limitations -
also documented).

Thank you (IBM) very much it is still supported. How else should I read 20
concatenated tapes with only 6 units (and leave some units for others)?

Kees.


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