Supersession to CA-TPX

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Widmayer, Bill

2009-06-10 20:14:55 UTC

This may be a bit off topic, but, does anyone know if a utility exists
to convert session manager Supersession ids and profiles to CA-TPX?

Last time I checked with CA they said I was on my own.

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Cebell, David

2009-06-10 20:44:12 UTC

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CA had a session manager called VMAN? Which they wanted to get rid of.
So they offered CA-TPX as a direct replacement at no extra charge.

Even within their own products, there was no "conversion utilities"
As I recall.

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Subject: Supersession to CA-TPX

This may be a bit off topic, but, does anyone know if a utility exists
to convert session manager Supersession ids and profiles to CA-TPX?

Last time I checked with CA they said I was on my own.

Bill Widmayer

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Lizette Koehler

2009-06-11 07:36:34 UTC

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Bill -

I converted our Super Session to TPX in 2007. There is no utility.
However, if you are not too heavy in the panels with SS it is not too bad.

So you know, I know no VTAM, I know not about communication software. And
yet, I was able to do this conversion.

If you need help, write me offlist. I can share what I know about ACLE
(Which you WILL need and it is an add on product $$). We are next door
neighbors and so will be glad to lend a hand.

And you will be going from a Cadillac to a Hugo with this process. TPX does
not handle everything that SS does nor in the same manner. It is simple,
efficient and lacking in a lot of bells and whistles.

Lizette

>
> This may be a bit off topic, but, does anyone know if a utility exists
> to convert session manager Supersession ids and profiles to CA-TPX?
>
> Last time I checked with CA they said I was on my own.
>
>
>
> Bill Widmayer
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Mark Zelden

2009-06-11 14:15:17 UTC

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:58:59 +0900, Timothy Sipples <***@JP.IBM.COM> wrote:

>Also probably getting off topic, but is there anything particularly wrong
>with CL/SUPERSESSION? IBM still supports it, and there is no end of service
>planned.
>
>If for some reason there is something wrong with CL/SUPERSESSION, there is
>a one-for-one trade option to switch to IBM Session Manager if that's a
>better fit. See IBM announcement letter 205-066 for details:
>
>http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/6/897/ENUS205-066/ENUS205-066.PDF
>

CL/SUPERSESSION is not strategic. And please don't take offense and please
excuse my bluntness and language - but ISM sucks. (**disclaimer.... this is
my personal opinion and does not represent the opinions of my company.)

Through many years of consulting at dozens of shops, I've used them all.
Supersession, TPX, Teleview, Tubes, VMAN, Switch, PIE, InterSession,
NVAS, and even just good 'ol Netview TAF. I've probably missed a couple
too.

CL/SUPERSESSION is my favorite and TPX is second.

I'm not saying ISM is the worst out of all the ones I listed above, it just
doesn't compare to Supersession and TPX.

We had a mixture of CL/SUPERSESSION and TPX mostly and also PIE used
from CICS. IBM sold us ISM to save us money. Then the Candle
acquisition took place before we really started any migrations. I was
hoping we would then stick with SuperSession since both were IBM, but
that is when we were told that SuperSession was not strategic and it would
be ISM that was enhanced. I also had conversations with a CL developer
at SHARE who confirmed.

All that being said... ISM has always done it's job as a VTAM session manager.
Even from the first version we used. It has gotten a lot better from where it
started, but still has a very long way to go to win my heart.

Mark
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Barkow, Eileen

2009-06-11 14:22:21 UTC

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Since SuperSession is so great (and it is much better than TPX and from
what I remember of Session Manager), how come it is so hard to
find a session entry. When you have a menu with a hundred of more
sessions, a simple 'FIND sessid' would be most helpful instead of
having
to scroll down thru numerous entries, but the 'SuperProgrammers' who
wrote the thing could never figure out a way to do this.

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Subject: Re: Supersession to CA-TPX

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:58:59 +0900, Timothy Sipples <***@JP.IBM.COM>
wrote:

>Also probably getting off topic, but is there anything particularly
>wrong with CL/SUPERSESSION? IBM still supports it, and there is no end
>of service planned.
>
>If for some reason there is something wrong with CL/SUPERSESSION, there

>is a one-for-one trade option to switch to IBM Session Manager if
>that's a better fit. See IBM announcement letter 205-066 for details:
>
>http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/6/897/ENUS205-066/ENUS205-066.PDF
>

CL/SUPERSESSION is not strategic. And please don't take offense and
please
excuse my bluntness and language - but ISM sucks. (**disclaimer....
this is
my personal opinion and does not represent the opinions of my company.)

Through many years of consulting at dozens of shops, I've used them all.
Supersession, TPX, Teleview, Tubes, VMAN, Switch, PIE, InterSession,
NVAS, and even just good 'ol Netview TAF. I've probably missed a
couple
too.

CL/SUPERSESSION is my favorite and TPX is second.

I'm not saying ISM is the worst out of all the ones I listed above, it
just doesn't compare to Supersession and TPX.

We had a mixture of CL/SUPERSESSION and TPX mostly and also PIE used
from CICS. IBM sold us ISM to save us money. Then the Candle
acquisition took place before we really started any migrations. I was
hoping we would then stick with SuperSession since both were IBM, but
that is when we were told that SuperSession was not strategic and it
would be ISM that was enhanced. I also had conversations with a CL
developer at SHARE who confirmed.

All that being said... ISM has always done it's job as a VTAM session
manager.
Even from the first version we used. It has gotten a lot better from
where it started, but still has a very long way to go to win my heart.

Mark
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Mark Zelden

2009-06-11 14:57:06 UTC

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:21:01 -0400, Barkow, Eileen <***@DOITT.NYC.GOV>
wrote:

>Since SuperSession is so great (and it is much better than TPX and from
>what I remember of Session Manager), how come it is so hard to
>find a session entry. When you have a menu with a hundred of more
>sessions, a simple 'FIND sessid' would be most helpful instead of
>having
>to scroll down thru numerous entries, but the 'SuperProgrammers' who
>wrote the thing could never figure out a way to do this.
>

I don't want to get dragged into a debate about individual features of
every single session mgr I mentioned. My comments were my personal
opinion based on the overall products & features, not one specific feature
that session mgr xx could do and session mgr zz could not.

But to answer your question... I never had a need to do a "find". I set
my most used sessions to show up at the top, and also selected the option
to create a new "page" for each group. If you are not familiar with that
option, it will show only those sessions on your screen (even if only a few)
and then you page forward (PF8) to get to the next group.

Also, I rarely used anything but triggers that I was able to set up myself
to bounce from session to session.

Mark
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Barkow, Eileen

2009-06-11 15:09:05 UTC

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I know that you can jump from session to session with triggers and issue
a START sess command from the command line,
but many times session entries have to be changed or viewed and the only
way to do that is to locate the entry itself thru scrolling or
paging - this is a real pain when there are many session entries, no
matter how well they are organized into groups which are meaningless for
locating an entry when you cannot remember what group or display status
it was assigned.

I just brought up this topic since the merits of Supersession were
already being discussed, and I have spent years cursing Supersession
because I can never easilly find an entry I need to look at or modify.

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Subject: Re: Supersession to CA-TPX

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 10:21:01 -0400, Barkow, Eileen
<***@DOITT.NYC.GOV>
wrote:

>Since SuperSession is so great (and it is much better than TPX and from

>what I remember of Session Manager), how come it is so hard to find a
>session entry. When you have a menu with a hundred of more sessions, a
>simple 'FIND sessid' would be most helpful instead of having to scroll

>down thru numerous entries, but the 'SuperProgrammers' who wrote the
>thing could never figure out a way to do this.
>

I don't want to get dragged into a debate about individual features of
every single session mgr I mentioned. My comments were my personal
opinion based on the overall products & features, not one specific
feature that session mgr xx could do and session mgr zz could not.

But to answer your question... I never had a need to do a "find". I
set
my most used sessions to show up at the top, and also selected the
option to create a new "page" for each group. If you are not familiar
with that option, it will show only those sessions on your screen (even
if only a few) and then you page forward (PF8) to get to the next group.

Also, I rarely used anything but triggers that I was able to set up
myself to bounce from session to session.

Mark
--
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Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America
/ Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:***@zurichna.com
z/OS Systems Programming expert at
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Richards, Robert B.

2009-06-11 15:17:28 UTC

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Eileen,

Modify the applicable session with the "M" command to change the
following to move commonly used sessions to the top of your display:

(APL) Display group........ 850 (9999-0000)

(USR) Display order........ 99 (9999-0000)

Every shop I've worked at has allowed me to control my own session
displays using this.

Bob

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Subject: Re: Supersession to CA-TPX

I know that you can jump from session to session with triggers and issue

a START sess command from the command line,

but many times session entries have to be changed or viewed and the only

way to do that is to locate the entry itself thru scrolling or

paging - this is a real pain when there are many session entries, no

matter how well they are organized into groups which are meaningless for

locating an entry when you cannot remember what group or display status

it was assigned.

I just brought up this topic since the merits of Supersession were

already being discussed, and I have spent years cursing Supersession

because I can never easilly find an entry I need to look at or modify.

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Barkow, Eileen

2009-06-11 15:24:06 UTC

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you have to find the session to modify first and most are not commonly
used.
I originally tried to organize sessions according to most commonly used,
etc, but very often
new sessions had to be added in a hurry so they fell in where ever they
were assigned on the menu.
Besides, I do not even know the names of many sessions since the session
name may be different from the applid or a duplicate
of something else.

This may seem like a trivial matter, but these little things can either
make or break a product.
I still think that programming a 'find sess' command where either a
session name or a generic group of sessions can be
located would be a relatively simple thing to do and would make
SuperSession so much more useable.

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Eileen,

Modify the applicable session with the "M" command to change the
following to move commonly used sessions to the top of your display:

(APL) Display group........ 850 (9999-0000)

(USR) Display order........ 99 (9999-0000)

Every shop I've worked at has allowed me to control my own session
displays using this.

Bob

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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:05 AM
To: IBM-***@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Supersession to CA-TPX

I know that you can jump from session to session with triggers and issue

a START sess command from the command line,

but many times session entries have to be changed or viewed and the only

way to do that is to locate the entry itself thru scrolling or

paging - this is a real pain when there are many session entries, no

matter how well they are organized into groups which are meaningless for

locating an entry when you cannot remember what group or display status

it was assigned.

I just brought up this topic since the merits of Supersession were

already being discussed, and I have spent years cursing Supersession

because I can never easilly find an entry I need to look at or modify.

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Mark Zelden

2009-06-11 14:57:06 UTC

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