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Rob Schramm
2018-07-02 23:06:02 UTC
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https://itsfoss.com/suse-eqt-acquisition/

Can anyone spell "we need cash"?

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Charles Mills
2018-07-02 23:18:27 UTC
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A good deal for MicroFocus. They bought the whole dang thing of Attachmate for $1.2B. They just sold one part of that for $2.5B.

Wish I was that smart.

Charles


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Rob Schramm
2018-07-03 12:59:28 UTC
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I agree. However, I think the need to sell SUSE has everything to do with
the trouble Microfocus is in since the HP acquisition.

Rob Schramm
Post by Charles Mills
A good deal for MicroFocus. They bought the whole dang thing of Attachmate
for $1.2B. They just sold one part of that for $2.5B.
Wish I was that smart.
Charles
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Charles Mills
2018-07-03 18:13:59 UTC
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What trouble is MicroFocus in?

BTW, you know they did not buy HP? HP is alive and NYSE-listed. They bought HPE which was by then a totally different company.

Charles


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I agree. However, I think the need to sell SUSE has everything to do with
the trouble Microfocus is in since the HP acquisition.

Rob Schramm
Post by Charles Mills
A good deal for MicroFocus. They bought the whole dang thing of Attachmate
for $1.2B. They just sold one part of that for $2.5B.
Wish I was that smart.
Charles
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August Carideo/RYE/US
2018-07-03 19:27:41 UTC
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HPE ?
That’s odd I thought HPE merged with CSC and became DXC ??

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What trouble is MicroFocus in?

BTW, you know they did not buy HP? HP is alive and NYSE-listed. They bought HPE which was by then a totally different company.

Charles


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I agree. However, I think the need to sell SUSE has everything to do with the trouble Microfocus is in since the HP acquisition.

Rob Schramm
Post by Charles Mills
A good deal for MicroFocus. They bought the whole dang thing of
Attachmate for $1.2B. They just sold one part of that for $2.5B.
Wish I was that smart.
Charles
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Charles Mills
2018-07-03 20:49:55 UTC
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You are partly correct and I am totally wrong. Micro Focus bought *a bunch of products* (ArcSight; Voltage, the home of our own Phil Smith III) from HPE. HPE continues to be alive and well. https://www.hpe.com/us/en/home.html

CSC mashed up with the HPE services business, formerly known as EDS, to become DXC.

Charles


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HPE ?
That’s odd I thought HPE merged with CSC and became DXC ??

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What trouble is MicroFocus in?

BTW, you know they did not buy HP? HP is alive and NYSE-listed. They bought HPE which was by then a totally different company.

Charles


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I agree. However, I think the need to sell SUSE has everything to do with the trouble Microfocus is in since the HP acquisition.

Rob Schramm
Post by Charles Mills
A good deal for MicroFocus. They bought the whole dang thing of
Attachmate for $1.2B. They just sold one part of that for $2.5B.
Wish I was that smart.
Charles
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Phil Smith III
2018-07-03 21:56:23 UTC
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OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.



In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.



And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
www.hpenterprise.com <http://www.hpenterprise.com> . HP remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.



A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.



And a while after that, HPE announced that they were selling another "S":
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.



So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.



Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
blame me if they're wrong:

HP originally: 300,000

HPE originally, after the split: 70,000

HPE without Services: 11,000

DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)

But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)

Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)



If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.



Thus endeth the lesson.


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Rob Schramm
2018-07-03 22:00:50 UTC
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Love it!
Post by Phil Smith III
OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.
In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.
And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
www.hpenterprise.com <http://www.hpenterprise.com> . HP remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.
A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.
So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.
Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
HP originally: 300,000
HPE originally, after the split: 70,000
HPE without Services: 11,000
DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)
But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)
Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)
If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.
Thus endeth the lesson.
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Tom Brennan
2018-07-03 22:32:27 UTC
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Post by Phil Smith III
OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.
In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.
You didn't start with oscillators? :) That reminds me, I need to grab my
dad's old one which is still in my mom's garage. Looks like this:
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Bill Johnson
2018-07-03 22:35:51 UTC
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And don’t be confused by HP on the American stock market. That’s Helmerich and Payne, an oil services company. Hewlett-Packard is HPQ.


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On Tuesday, July 3, 2018, 5:56 PM, Phil Smith III <***@AKPHS.COM> wrote:

OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.



In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.



And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
www.hpenterprise.com <http://www.hpenterprise.com> . HP remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.



A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.



And a while after that, HPE announced that they were selling another "S":
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.



So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.



Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
blame me if they're wrong:

HP originally: 300,000

HPE originally, after the split: 70,000

HPE without Services: 11,000

DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)

But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)

Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)



If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.



Thus endeth the lesson.


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David W Noon
2018-07-03 22:52:56 UTC
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 17:56:08 -0400, Phil Smith Iii (***@AKPHS.COM)
wrote about "Re: SUSE splits from Microfocus" (in
Post by Phil Smith III
So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.
Some of my old work-mates went: EDS==>HP==>out-the-door.

A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the
mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive.
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Seymour J Metz
2018-07-05 17:41:12 UTC
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In the beginning was Compaq, and HP was know for its excellent printers. Then the printers went downhill and there was Hewlett PacPaq, although not by that name. Wheile HP borged EDS, Dell borged Perot Systems. Oh, and TI was somewhere in that saga. And oscilloscopes.


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OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.



In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.



And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1ILmwkIn_TwKCIxaQtUmzZ7IJH8TTE_ZSP68ucM0phj8KaK4Fa33HWMBdfoeWOc57A98jvHuZtPDQ7GnApLEKogJr6RIDXQO_XH71WF4cWNpE1c81gYGTRQ54LYb47oOQGJKjhb4Q9oJAUZQcy8xKfklRxs3Hn_vF3aSW26Kv4nPvFLO6TwpN8jipYLSKUHA9BKQMRZgpsOC53R219Y9Yv1aOdKz6F79hro7CjLt2xgR7D_5GOXesdNrebJqWdWZEPRwlF6zmtAcM9XPtTdOMXy0mGk-VKH1w3Uu0iLxagCjloNuR8jA9Q2xEV2KdmVRlHERbCReSSrwRvC8ZkjC_WTNKI9oAC08fWlPy_t4NwoaA4Y0UiZkYOPcw3AjiAyw4/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpenterprise.com <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1ILmwkIn_TwKCIxaQtUmzZ7IJH8TTE_ZSP68ucM0phj8KaK4Fa33HWMBdfoeWOc57A98jvHuZtPDQ7GnApLEKogJr6RIDXQO_XH71WF4cWNpE1c81gYGTRQ54LYb47oOQGJKjhb4Q9oJAUZQcy8xKfklRxs3Hn_vF3aSW26Kv4nPvFLO6TwpN8jipYLSKUHA9BKQMRZgpsOC53R219Y9Yv1aOdKz6F79hro7CjLt2xgR7D_5GOXesdNrebJqWdWZEPRwlF6zmtAcM9XPtTdOMXy0mGk-VKH1w3Uu0iLxagCjloNuR8jA9Q2xEV2KdmVRlHERbCReSSrwRvC8ZkjC_WTNKI9oAC08fWlPy_t4NwoaA4Y0UiZkYOPcw3AjiAyw4/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpenterprise.com> . HP remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.



A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.



And a while after that, HPE announced that they were selling another "S":
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.



So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.



Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
blame me if they're wrong:

HP originally: 300,000

HPE originally, after the split: 70,000

HPE without Services: 11,000

DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)

But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)

Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)



If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.



Thus endeth the lesson.


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Wayne Bickerdike
2018-07-05 20:37:11 UTC
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DEC completely forgotten?

I once read that HP was a printer company masquerading as a computer
company.

At least IBM have stuck with the mainframe. HP have buried their
technological history.
Post by Seymour J Metz
In the beginning was Compaq, and HP was know for its excellent printers.
Then the printers went downhill and there was Hewlett PacPaq, although not
by that name. Wheile HP borged EDS, Dell borged Perot Systems. Oh, and TI
was somewhere in that saga. And oscilloscopes.
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: SUSE splits from Microfocus
OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.
In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.
And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1ILmwkIn_TwKCIxaQtUmzZ7IJH8TTE_
ZSP68ucM0phj8KaK4Fa33HWMBdfoeWOc57A98jvHuZtPDQ7GnApLEKogJr6RIDXQO_
XH71WF4cWNpE1c81gYGTRQ54LYb47oOQGJKjhb4Q9oJAUZQcy8xKfklRxs3Hn_
vF3aSW26Kv4nPvFLO6TwpN8jipYLSKUHA9BKQMRZgpsOC53R219Y9Yv1aOdK
z6F79hro7CjLt2xgR7D_5GOXesdNrebJqWdWZEPRwlF6zmtAcM9XPtTdOMXy0mGk-
VKH1w3Uu0iLxagCjloNuR8jA9Q2xEV2KdmVRlHERbCReSSrwRvC8ZkjC_WTNKI9oAC08fWlPy_
t4NwoaA4Y0UiZkYOPcw3AjiAyw4/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpenterprise.com <
http://secure-web.cisco.com/1ILmwkIn_TwKCIxaQtUmzZ7IJH8TTE_
ZSP68ucM0phj8KaK4Fa33HWMBdfoeWOc57A98jvHuZtPDQ7GnApLEKogJr6RIDXQO_
XH71WF4cWNpE1c81gYGTRQ54LYb47oOQGJKjhb4Q9oJAUZQcy8xKfklRxs3Hn_
vF3aSW26Kv4nPvFLO6TwpN8jipYLSKUHA9BKQMRZgpsOC53R219Y9Yv1aOdK
z6F79hro7CjLt2xgR7D_5GOXesdNrebJqWdWZEPRwlF6zmtAcM9XPtTdOMXy0mGk-
VKH1w3Uu0iLxagCjloNuR8jA9Q2xEV2KdmVRlHERbCReSSrwRvC8ZkjC_WTNKI9oAC08fWlPy_
t4NwoaA4Y0UiZkYOPcw3AjiAyw4/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hpenterprise.com> . HP
remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.
A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.
So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.
Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
HP originally: 300,000
HPE originally, after the split: 70,000
HPE without Services: 11,000
DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)
But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)
Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)
If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.
Thus endeth the lesson.
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Post by Phil Smith III
OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.
In the beginning, there was Hewlett-Packard, or HP. And HP was formless and
huge, and darkness was upon the stock.
And the Board made a decision: split the company! And thus was born Hewlett
Packard Enterprise (HPE)-no hyphen, and please don't call us "HP
Enterprise", not sure why, even though some of the internal URLs were at
www.hpenterprise.com <http://www.hpenterprise.com> . HP remained, as "HP
Inc." (HPQ), selling the consumer stuff: laptops, desktops, printers. HPE
took the "S" stuff: Servers, Services, and Software.
A few months after the split, HPE announced that they were doing a
"spin/merge": the Services were going to be split off and merging with what
was left of CSC, forming a new entity called DXC.
the Software was being sold off to Micro Focus.
So some folks went: HP==>HPE==>DXC; some went HP==>HPE==>Micro Focus; some
went just HP==>HPE; and some even stayed as HP the whole time.
Employee counts are maybe interesting-these are numbers I've seen, don't
HP originally: 300,000
HPE originally, after the split: 70,000
HPE without Services: 11,000
DXC: 170,500 (that "500" is oddly precise; with 170K, you'd think it would
fluctuate that much on a monthly/weekly/daily basis)
But HP now: 50,000 (a lot are missing, eh?)
Micro Focus now: 15,000 (including SUSE and HPE)
If you've been confused by all this, don't feel badly-the bloody trade press
can't keep it straight, and that's their job! I've seen references to Meg
Whitman as being "CEO of HP" within the last couple of months, and yes, she
went to HPE. Like, two years ago. So there's no excuse for (them) getting
that wrong.
Thus endeth the lesson.
Professor,
What about EDS?
To my knowledge EDS was bought by HP before HP - HPE split and it was
part of HPE. Is it now part of DXC?


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OK, kids, pay attention, because this will be on the exam.
{ lots of "thingamajig things" snipped }

Urgh! I (as a kid) can't pay attention to what you wrote, but will not blame you of course. ;-)

I will just STFU and monitor IBM-MAIN and other news reels for more info...

Anyways, thank you Phil for kindly posting this interesting stuff, I am really humbled by your kindness to post this stuff.

Groete / Greetings
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Some of my old work-mates went: EDS==>HP==>out-the-door.
No doubt! As did a lot of other folks.
Post by David W Noon
A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the
mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive.
How's that? HPE NonStop isn't a mainframe. x86 servers aren't mainframes. I
don't understand.


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On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 21:02:41 -0400, Phil Smith Iii (***@AKPHS.COM)
wrote about "Re: SUSE splits from Microfocus" (in
[snip]
Post by Phil Smith III
Post by David W Noon
A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the
mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive.
How's that? HPE NonStop isn't a mainframe. x86 servers aren't mainframes. I
don't understand.
Last I heard, HPE was still running some big iron to support "legacy"
applications.
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[...]
Post by Phil Smith III
Post by David W Noon
A lot of the old EDS mainframers were made redundant because HP felt the
mainframe was dead. The mainframe now helps to keep HPE alive.
How's that? HPE NonStop isn't a mainframe. x86 servers aren't mainframes. I
don't understand.
Perhaps they mean VAX and Alpha-based computers - I believe those had
been acquired from DEC via Compaq and they (HP) were supporting both
VAXen and Alphas, at least before the split. I may be wrong, however,
and I have no time to check my notes/sources.

I wonder if it is still possible to get VAX VMS from them (whoever
"them" may be nowadays, HPE?) - it was possible to do so, by paying
some tens of bucks for membership in their hobbyist group. After that
one could download iso and licences.

I think that back in time, PDP-10 was being called a mainframe, too.

Likewise, a computer running Multics probably deserves to be called a
mainframe. But there are maybe two of them, globally? Plus some being
run as emulators, even giving accounts to interested public (and same
with public VAXen, there are/were few of them on the net, one could
login as guest and/or apply for normal account).

So, it was not only z, some time ago.

BTW, would it count as a mainframe if I ran one inside emulator on PC?
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Post by David W Noon
Last I heard, HPE was still running some big iron to support "legacy"
applications.
Possibly, but I suspect those went with the ex-EDS folks. The internal stuff
(not that I've seen it other than as an end-user) seems to be all
Microsoft-based.


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Does that include HPE mainframe consulting? I think that the old HP did
contracts for Mainframe work.

Rob Schramm
Post by Phil Smith III
Post by David W Noon
Last I heard, HPE was still running some big iron to support "legacy"
applications.
Possibly, but I suspect those went with the ex-EDS folks. The internal stuff
(not that I've seen it other than as an end-user) seems to be all
Microsoft-based.
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Post by Rob Schramm
Does that include HPE mainframe consulting? I think that the old HP did
contracts for Mainframe work.
Yes, EDS/HP Global Services/HPE Services/(now) DXC do mainframe outsourcing
and consulting. Definitely not part of HPE any more!



As an HPE software division with mainframe products, I never heard of any z
inside HPE. I know there was some that the old EDS folks maintained (and in
fact one of our customers was a long-timer on a customer system that was
HP/HPE's), but that's about it.


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What about EDS?
To my knowledge EDS was bought by HP before HP - HPE split and it was part
of HPE. Is it now part of DXC?



Right. All the (surviving) ex-EDS folks went to HPE and then to DXC.


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And some have gone on to become Perspecta. It is a merger of Vencore, Keypoint and the USPS part of DXC.


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What about EDS?
To my knowledge EDS was bought by HP before HP - HPE split and it was part
of HPE. Is it now part of DXC?



Right. All the (surviving) ex-EDS folks went to HPE and then to DXC.


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What a long strange journey for EDS. Who owns WAAPDSUT now?

TGIF,
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Holy crap, now there is a blast from my EDS past. I was a member of the first GM/EDS transition back in Feb 23, 1986.


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What a long strange journey for EDS.  Who owns WAAPDSUT now?

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Holy crap, now there is a blast from my EDS past. I was a member of the first GM/EDS transition back in Feb 23, 1986.
I am ex-EDS too...1976 to 1978, back when Ross Perot still gave a speech
to each graduating SED class...

...I would like to know who owns WAAPDSUT now...EDS sold it for a while
under the name STANFAST utilities...

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I worked for Packard Electric in Warren, Ohio when GM bought EDS. They transitioned most of us to the Charlotte data center. Took a couple of years. I was in Ops at the time but transitioned to development staying in Warren, graduated from college, and left EDS in 1988. Been a long and winding road since.


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Holy crap, now there is a blast from my EDS past. I was a member of the first GM/EDS transition back in Feb 23, 1986.
I am ex-EDS too...1976 to 1978, back when Ross Perot still gave a speech
to each graduating SED class...

...I would like to know who owns WAAPDSUT now...EDS sold it for a while
under the name STANFAST utilities...

Mike Shaw
MVS/QuickRef Support Group
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I was at EDS ("worked at" doesn't quite cover it, "belonged to" is closer)
in the early 80s, at the Forest Lane campus. Never actually met HRP, but
did bump into him a couple of times. It was a big transition time for my
career, moving from operator to tech. support to systems programming.

Like everything looking like nails when you have a new hammer, WAAPDSUT was
something of a Swiss Army knife, and we certainly used it to do a whole lot
of things. Spent the last few months there arguing with Cheryl Watson
about how to run CICS (what can I say, I was young and stupid :-)).

sas

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Bill Johnson <
Post by Bill Johnson
I worked for Packard Electric in Warren, Ohio when GM bought EDS. They
transitioned most of us to the Charlotte data center. Took a couple of
years. I was in Ops at the time but transitioned to development staying in
Warren, graduated from college, and left EDS in 1988. Been a long and
winding road since.
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Post by Bill Johnson
Holy crap, now there is a blast from my EDS past. I was a member of the
first GM/EDS transition back in Feb 23, 1986.
I am ex-EDS too...1976 to 1978, back when Ross Perot still gave a speech
to each graduating SED class...
...I would like to know who owns WAAPDSUT now...EDS sold it for a while
under the name STANFAST utilities...
Mike Shaw
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Another note re EDS/HP/HPE/DXC: there's a road near me called EDS Drive
(which at least one GPS vocalizes as "Ed's Drive", which makes me laugh).
There's a big building there that was EDS (doh). Then it was HP. Then it was
HPE. Then it was DXC.



Last time I drove by, the DXC logo that had been put up was gone; still
trying to find out what the story is. Wondering if they shrunk so much that
they either moved or are no longer the sole tenant. Or there was some
speculation that the DXC logo was in trouble with one of the
Daimler-Chrysler logos, which is visually similar; just hard to believe
Daimler would care anymore, since they sold off Chrysler.



Check 'em out:

Daimler-Chrysler: https://trademarks.justia.com/785/82/dxc-78582057.html

DXC:
https://events.economist.com/events-conferences/emea/manufacturing-transform
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BTW, would it count as a mainframe if I ran one inside emulator on PC?
Sure, if you can emulate 170 processors, 32 TB of main memory, 320 FICON channels, and robust error handling.

There is much more to a mainframe than the instruction set.
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Post by Tomasz Rola
BTW, would it count as a mainframe if I ran one inside emulator on PC?
Sure, if you can emulate 170 processors, 32 TB of main memory, 320 FICON channels, and robust error handling.
There is much more to a mainframe than the instruction set.
Take care, current PC servers can have more memory than mainframe. It
have been true for at least 10-15 years.
Current PC do support 32Gbps FC and 40Gbps or 100Gbps LAN NIC. How many?
Enough.
I can't tell current processor limits, but it is at least half of
mainframe.
Last, but not least: such PC server beast cost still much less than
mainframe.
Who cares? Managers.
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Post by Tom Marchant
Post by Tomasz Rola
BTW, would it count as a mainframe if I ran one inside emulator on PC?
Sure, if you can emulate 170 processors, 32 TB of main memory, 320
FICON channels, and robust error handling.
170 cpus. 32TB of ram? Uh, sure. Just not very fast - I only have 4
real cores and 12GB of ram, the rest would have to be swapped on 4TB
harddrives.

But I guess not every mainframe is so well packed to the roof.

BTW, what I mean by mainframe is a bit more extended and covers not
only modern incarnations of it. But, ok, I can easily agree that
emulated modern mainframe is not really mainframe. And thus it does
not count as such.
Post by R.S.
Post by Tom Marchant
There is much more to a mainframe than the instruction set.
Take care, current PC servers can have more memory than mainframe.
It have been true for at least 10-15 years. Current PC do support
32Gbps FC and 40Gbps or 100Gbps LAN NIC. How many? Enough. I can't
tell current processor limits, but it is at least half of mainframe.
Last, but not least: such PC server beast cost still much less than
mainframe. Who cares? Managers.
I would tell those managers that PC comes with their own baggage of,
well, manure. I had once a motherboard whose condensers went poof
(sometimes they go poof -> open up, sometimes they go bloop ->
leak). I guess condensers used to build mainframes go neither poof nor
bloop. That is a huge plus, because one does not have to get inside in
order to solder in new condensers. Also, as of recently, there is
ongoing discovery of nasty design bugs inside Pentium-compatibles -
rowhammer, meltdown, spectre, recent fpu related one which has no name
yet (I guess) and possibly some more coming, if I am to believe rumors
on the net. The lack of such "features" on a mainframe may be a big
selling point, if someone could actually verify that indeed there is
no such features on big iron.
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Perhaps they mean VAX and Alpha-based computers - I believe those had
been acquired from DEC via Compaq and they (HP) were supporting both
VAXen and Alphas, at least before the split.
Well, Alpha as an architecture is long dead, though I'm sure some are still
running. Look for "2007" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha



And VMS is OpenVMS these days. Since Itanium is also dead, it's being ported
to x86-64 and that's targeted for 2018, per
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS



But I wouldn't VMS is a mainframe in any current sense, especially since it
only currently exists for a dead hardware platform. And it's not maintained
by HP or HPE, but by VMS Software, Inc. (which makes some of us laugh who
used to now a company called VM Software, Inc., which is almost the same!).



Thanks for the diversion-I was trapped on a boring conference call and this
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But I wouldn't VMS is a mainframe in any current sense, especially since it
only currently exists for a dead hardware platform. And it's not maintained
by HP or HPE, but by VMS Software, Inc. (which makes some of us laugh who
used to now a company called VM Software, Inc., which is almost the same!).
Oh. That is something new.
Post by Phil Smith III
Thanks for the diversion-I was trapped on a boring conference call and this
exercise kept my brain alive!
Man, you really need an ebook reader. E-ink based, 6'' - does not glow
its own light, and from afar can be mistaken for glossy paper in
strange notebook. On which you tap from time to time. Mine has sudoku
and chess.
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Take care, current PC servers can have more memory than mainframe. It have
been true for at least 10->15 years.
Current PC do support 32Gbps FC and 40Gbps or 100Gbps LAN NIC. How many?
Enough.
I can't tell current processor limits, but it is at least half of
mainframe.
Last, but not least: such PC server beast cost still much less than
mainframe.
Who cares? Managers.
Apples and hamsters. Both have their advantages, but they are not
interchangeable. Real managers understand that; too many, alas, do not.


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