Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS directories correctly

[Charles Mills]

I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
datasets for some time now with no problems.



I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x) displayed
instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended to
their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file named
source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?



Charles


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[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>
>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x) displayed
>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended to
>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file named
>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>
Probably nothing. I bet it's WS_FTP Pro. Likely it does something
similar to:

ftp> quote syst
215 MVS is the operating system of this server. FTP Server is running on z/OS.

On seeing that the host is MVS, it parses the output of an
NLST (or perhaps LIST) command as if it were generated by
LISTDS rather than by /bin/ls.

Use linemode FTP fom a command tool. Or some other client. FileZilla?

-- gil

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[Ward, Mike S]

How do you get to the hfs file system files from a windows ftp? All I
see are regular mvs datasets.

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On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>
>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories
and
>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x)
displayed
>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended
to
>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file
named
>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>
Probably nothing. I bet it's WS_FTP Pro. Likely it does something
similar to:

ftp> quote syst
215 MVS is the operating system of this server. FTP Server is
running on z/OS.

On seeing that the host is MVS, it parses the output of an
NLST (or perhaps LIST) command as if it were generated by
LISTDS rather than by /bin/ls.

Use linemode FTP fom a command tool. Or some other client. FileZilla?

-- gil

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[Bill Godfrey]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:

>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional"
z/OS
>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>
>
>
>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x)
displayed
>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended
to
>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file
named
>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>
If the Host Type for the session is Auto Detect, try changing it to UNIX.

Bill

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[Scott]

Bill is correct- you need to set the host type. It would be nice if they
made auto-detect a bit smarter. Firefox has the same issue. I have one
profile for when I transfer datasets (auto-detect0, another profile for
HFS/OMVS (UNIX).


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Bill Godfrey <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional"
> z/OS
> >datasets for some time now with no problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
> >strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
> >files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x)
> displayed
> >instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
> >displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended
> to
> >their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file
> named
> >source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
> >option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
> >
> If the Host Type for the session is Auto Detect, try changing it to UNIX.
>
> Bill
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[Charles Mills]

Thanks. That's the solution exactly. I had looked around for something like
that but I didn't find it. After I saw your two posts I looked a little
harder. <g> I've got the session now configured as UNIX (standard) and it
seems to work perfectly. I need to figure out how to clone it to one
configured as (as they call it) "IBM MVS." Should we tell them that the name
changed about twenty years ago, or should that just be our little secret?

Charles

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correctly

Bill is correct- you need to set the host type. It would be nice if they
made auto-detect a bit smarter. Firefox has the same issue. I have one
profile for when I transfer datasets (auto-detect0, another profile for
HFS/OMVS (UNIX).


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Bill Godfrey <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote:
>
> >I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional"
> z/OS
> >datasets for some time now with no problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
> >strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories
and
> >files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x)
> displayed
> >instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
> >displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended
> to
> >their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file
> named
> >source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
> >option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
> >
> If the Host Type for the session is Auto Detect, try changing it to UNIX.
>
> Bill
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[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:

>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>
>
>
>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x) displayed
>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended to
>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file named
>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>
>

Is the host type set to automatic or unix? If set to automatic, try unix.

Mark
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:38:12 -0600, Mark Zelden <***@ZURICHNA.COM> wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:
>
>>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
>>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>>
>>
>>
>>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories and
>>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x) displayed
>>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended to
>>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file named
>>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>>
>>
>
>Is the host type set to automatic or unix? If set to automatic, try unix.
>

BTW, have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member name
is less than 6 characters? I am stuck with V7.04 on my employer's machine.
WS_FTP_LE has the same problem.

Mark
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[Pinnacle]

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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS directories
correctly


> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:38:12 -0600, Mark Zelden <***@ZURICHNA.COM>
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:32:25 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:
>>
>>>I've been using WS_FTP Pro between Windows XP and "conventional" z/OS
>>>datasets for some time now with no problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
>>>strangely in WS_FTP. If I leave the filter blank, then all directories
>>>and
>>>files have access permissions (you know, strings like drwxr-xr-x)
>>>displayed
>>>instead of their names. If I set the filter to *, then the names are
>>>displayed but folders are listed as binary files with a colon appended to
>>>their names (e.g., a folder named source is displayed as a binary file
>>>named
>>>source: ) and the cd command no longer works. I can't find a relevant
>>>option. Has anyone else seen this? What am I doing wrong?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Is the host type set to automatic or unix? If set to automatic, try unix.
>>
>
> BTW, have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member name
> is less than 6 characters? I am stuck with V7.04 on my employer's
> machine.
> WS_FTP_LE has the same problem.
>

One of the many reasons I ditched WS-FTP-Amateur and went to BlueZone. It
has no problemos with the z/OS HFS or zFS filesystems. Gotta love when a
free product kicks a pay products butt.

Regards,
Tom Conley

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[Charles Mills]

> have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member
> name is less than 6 characters?

What was the specific problem? I see, for example,

Name VV.MM Created Changed Size Init Mod Id
CC 01.00 2009/12/02 2009/12/02 15:00 8 8 0 XXXXXX

I can't swear that data is perfect but it looks plausible to me.

Charles
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:08:45 -0600, Ward, Mike S <***@SSFCU.ORG> wrote:

>How do you get to the hfs file system files from a windows ftp? All I
>see are regular mvs datasets.
>

If you were using a dos command line interface, you would just
cd / (or cd /some/directory).

But this is also an FTP option whether to initially start in "MVS" or "unix"
when
someone connects, but most shops chose "MVS":

STARTDIRECTORY MVS ; Initial resource type access
; MVS = MVS data sets (D)
; HFS = HFS files

When using a gui like WS_FTP, you have to tell it that unix is the
target environment and also set the initial directory to somthing
valid (I set it to /u/myuserid).

Mark
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:48:17 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:

>> have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member
>> name is less than 6 characters?
>
>What was the specific problem? I see, for example,
>
> Name VV.MM Created Changed Size Init Mod Id
>CC 01.00 2009/12/02 2009/12/02 15:00 8 8 0 XXXXXX
>
>I can't swear that data is perfect but it looks plausible to me.
>

That looks like an ISPF display (is that what WSFTP PRO shows in
later releases?). In the version I have, for PDS member name
less than 6 characters, the size shows 0K and the modified
information is blank.

Mark
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[Darth Keller]

We are currently at zOS1.9 and are looking at implementing VSAM RLS. Our
maintenance is current. We're wondering if anyone has had any issues with
RLS or cautions to share. On or Off list is OK by me.
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[Jousma, David]

Been running it for 4 years now, no problems. Just be aware that RLS is
the stripped down version of TVS. RLS provides no transaction logging,
so if you are using RLS outside of say CICS, then you have to do
roll-your-own logging. TVS provides logging, amongst other features.
You are parallel sysplex, right?

There is a PSP bucket for RLS, so make sure you are current on
maintenance. z/OS 1.10 provided Multiple Lock Structure(MLS) support
for RLS, and the toleration maint for that was flakey for awhile, but is
fine now.

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We are currently at zOS1.9 and are looking at implementing VSAM RLS.
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[Darth Keller]

>>Been running it for 4 years now, no problems. Just be aware that RLS is
>>the stripped down version of TVS. RLS provides no transaction logging,
>>so if you are using RLS outside of say CICS, then you have to do
>>roll-your-own logging. TVS provides logging, amongst other features.
>>You are parallel sysplex, right?

>>There is a PSP bucket for RLS, so make sure you are current on
>>maintenance. z/OS 1.10 provided Multiple Lock Structure(MLS) support
>>for RLS, and the toleration maint for that was flakey for awhile, but is
>>fine now.
________________________________________________________________
>>Dave Jousma


Yes, we are running parallel sysplex. Currently we're only planning on
using this with CICS and eventually HSM.
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[Buckton, T. , Theo]

Hi, I'm being tasked to implement VSAM RLS for HSM in a parallel
sysplex, consisting of 5 LPARS - LPAR1 & LPAR2 (PRODPLEX) sharing one
set of HSM CDSs; LPAR3 & LPAR4 (QAPLEX) sharing one set, and LPAR5
(ICPLEX) having its own set. Would this mean that all these HSM
environments should be part of one HSMPLEX environment due to the fact
that only one LOCK structure that can exist per LPAR?
Each PLEX system has it own tape management data base which interacts
with HSM. Would this also mean one TAPEPLEX system, all sharing the same
tape data base? We running Z/OS 1.11


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>>Been running it for 4 years now, no problems. Just be aware that RLS
is
>>the stripped down version of TVS. RLS provides no transaction
logging,
>>so if you are using RLS outside of say CICS, then you have to do
>>roll-your-own logging. TVS provides logging, amongst other features.
>>You are parallel sysplex, right?

>>There is a PSP bucket for RLS, so make sure you are current on
>>maintenance. z/OS 1.10 provided Multiple Lock Structure(MLS) support
>>for RLS, and the toleration maint for that was flakey for awhile, but
is
>>fine now.
________________________________________________________________
>>Dave Jousma


Yes, we are running parallel sysplex. Currently we're only planning on
using this with CICS and eventually HSM.
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[Charles Mills]

There are at least two PDS member cases: with ISPF statistics and without.
Is there any product that routinely gives sizes for "pure" (non-ISPF-saved)
PDS members?

So I assume you're talking about ISPF-saved member statistics. Correct me if
I am wrong.

WS_FTP Pro 12 displays PDS members two ways. (I'm working from memory
because I don't have FTP up at the moment and my DFW z/OS is "asleep" so
it's not a 5-second job to get on-line.) In its basic 2-panel "Windows
explorer" screen it shows name, size, modified, etc. for each member (as I
recall). Unfortunately the text is not cut-and-paste so that is not what I
sent below. As I recall it has the information for ISPF-saved members but
not for non-ISPF-saved members. Write me off-line if you want a screen shot
showing long and short member names with and without ISPF stats.

There's also a button called "Directory Info." Clicking that brings up a
notepad session with directory information in it, kind of like what you
might get if you opened LISTDS output in an editor. That's what I
cut-and-pasted from below.

The "8" below is presumably an ISPF line count. I think that 8 is a
plausible line count for that member. It's a small job that just runs one
proc. It's certainly not 8 bytes (tough for an LRECL=80 file) and it's
certainly not 8K.

Charles

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On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:48:17 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:

>> have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member
>> name is less than 6 characters?
>
>What was the specific problem? I see, for example,
>
> Name VV.MM Created Changed Size Init Mod Id
>CC 01.00 2009/12/02 2009/12/02 15:00 8 8 0 XXXXXX
>
>I can't swear that data is perfect but it looks plausible to me.
>

That looks like an ISPF display (is that what WSFTP PRO shows in
later releases?). In the version I have, for PDS member name
less than 6 characters, the size shows 0K and the modified
information is blank.

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[Scott]

I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it works!

To browse HFS, just put '/' where the 'DATASET' path is. You may need to
put single quotes around it if you're stuck in it's MVS-mode.

Scott

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Charles Mills <***@mcn.org> wrote:

> There are at least two PDS member cases: with ISPF statistics and without.
> Is there any product that routinely gives sizes for "pure" (non-ISPF-saved)
> PDS members?
>
> So I assume you're talking about ISPF-saved member statistics. Correct me
> if
> I am wrong.
>
> WS_FTP Pro 12 displays PDS members two ways. (I'm working from memory
> because I don't have FTP up at the moment and my DFW z/OS is "asleep" so
> it's not a 5-second job to get on-line.) In its basic 2-panel "Windows
> explorer" screen it shows name, size, modified, etc. for each member (as I
> recall). Unfortunately the text is not cut-and-paste so that is not what I
> sent below. As I recall it has the information for ISPF-saved members but
> not for non-ISPF-saved members. Write me off-line if you want a screen shot
> showing long and short member names with and without ISPF stats.
>
> There's also a button called "Directory Info." Clicking that brings up a
> notepad session with directory information in it, kind of like what you
> might get if you opened LISTDS output in an editor. That's what I
> cut-and-pasted from below.
>
> The "8" below is presumably an ISPF line count. I think that 8 is a
> plausible line count for that member. It's a small job that just runs one
> proc. It's certainly not 8 bytes (tough for an LRECL=80 file) and it's
> certainly not 8K.
>
> Charles
>
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> correctly
>
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:48:17 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:
>
> >> have they fixed the problem for PDS stats when the member
> >> name is less than 6 characters?
> >
> >What was the specific problem? I see, for example,
> >
> > Name VV.MM Created Changed Size Init Mod Id
> >CC 01.00 2009/12/02 2009/12/02 15:00 8 8 0 XXXXXX
> >
> >I can't swear that data is perfect but it looks plausible to me.
> >
>
> That looks like an ISPF display (is that what WSFTP PRO shows in
> later releases?). In the version I have, for PDS member name
> less than 6 characters, the size shows 0K and the modified
> information is blank.
>
> Mark
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>
> I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it works!
>


Last I tried, the "current" version of Filezilla didn't to z/OS SSL
secured FTP. Has that changed?

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[Scott]

It's supported FTPS for some time now. It just lacks a lot of
customization.

Honestly, FileZilla is a pretty terrible FTP client. But there's really not
too many clients that I'd say are good, for Windows. On Mac I've got some
very well-done choices.

It will do what you want it to, which is why I grudgingly use it. I still
click around hoping to find a way to tweak a few options, but it's just very
bare bones in that regard.

Scott

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> > correctly
> >
> > I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it works!
> >
>
>
> Last I tried, the "current" version of Filezilla didn't to z/OS SSL
> secured FTP. Has that changed?
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[Gibney, Dave]

I must have something wrong. I just installed the latest. 3.3.0.1 and
I still get:

Trace: CTransferSocket::OnReceive(), m_transferMode=0
Trace: GnuTLS error -9: A TLS packet with unexpected length was
received.
Status: Server did not properly shut down TLS connection
Error: Could not read from transfer socket: ECONNABORTED - Connection
aborted
Trace: CTransferSocket::TransferEnd(3)

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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> Subject: Re: Filezilla, was Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS
> directories correctly
>
> It's supported FTPS for some time now. It just lacks a lot of
> customization.
>
> Honestly, FileZilla is a pretty terrible FTP client. But there's
> really not
> too many clients that I'd say are good, for Windows. On Mac I've got
> some
> very well-done choices.
>
> It will do what you want it to, which is why I grudgingly use it. I
> still
> click around hoping to find a way to tweak a few options, but it's
just
> very
> bare bones in that regard.
>
> Scott
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Gibney, Dave <***@wsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-***@bama.ua.edu]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Scott
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:55 AM
> > > To: IBM-***@bama.ua.edu
> > > Subject: Re: Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS
directories
> > > correctly
> > >
> > > I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it
works!
> > >
> >
> >
> > Last I tried, the "current" version of Filezilla didn't to z/OS SSL
> > secured FTP. Has that changed?
> >
> >
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[Scott]

Where's the trace coming from? What are you connecting to? There's a lot
of questions about your setup that I'd wonder about, before being able to
begin diagnosing the issue.

You're welcome to snowball me with info about how you're doing things, if
you'd like some help. No guarantees, but I've been through hell and back
with the Digital Certificate stuff--so I've gotten quite good at figuring
out what's wrong/where.

Scott

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gibney, Dave <***@wsu.edu> wrote:

> I must have something wrong. I just installed the latest. 3.3.0.1 and
> I still get:
>
> Trace: CTransferSocket::OnReceive(), m_transferMode=0
> Trace: GnuTLS error -9: A TLS packet with unexpected length was
> received.
> Status: Server did not properly shut down TLS connection
> Error: Could not read from transfer socket: ECONNABORTED - Connection
> aborted
> Trace: CTransferSocket::TransferEnd(3)
>
> Dave Gibney
> Information Technology Services
> Washington State University
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-***@bama.ua.edu] On
> > Behalf Of Scott
> > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:59 AM
> > To: IBM-***@bama.ua.edu
> > Subject: Re: Filezilla, was Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS
> > directories correctly
> >
> > It's supported FTPS for some time now. It just lacks a lot of
> > customization.
> >
> > Honestly, FileZilla is a pretty terrible FTP client. But there's
> > really not
> > too many clients that I'd say are good, for Windows. On Mac I've got
> > some
> > very well-done choices.
> >
> > It will do what you want it to, which is why I grudgingly use it. I
> > still
> > click around hoping to find a way to tweak a few options, but it's
> just
> > very
> > bare bones in that regard.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Gibney, Dave <***@wsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-***@bama.ua.edu]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Scott
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:55 AM
> > > > To: IBM-***@bama.ua.edu
> > > > Subject: Re: Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS
> directories
> > > > correctly
> > > >
> > > > I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it
> works!
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Last I tried, the "current" version of Filezilla didn't to z/OS SSL
> > > secured FTP. Has that changed?
> > >
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[Richard Peurifoy]

Gibney, Dave wrote:
> I must have something wrong. I just installed the latest. 3.3.0.1 and
> I still get:
>
> Trace: CTransferSocket::OnReceive(), m_transferMode=0
> Trace: GnuTLS error -9: A TLS packet with unexpected length was
> received.
> Status: Server did not properly shut down TLS connection
> Error: Could not read from transfer socket: ECONNABORTED - Connection
> aborted
> Trace: CTransferSocket::TransferEnd(3)

We had a similar problem some time ago.. With help from the
IBMTCP-L list I found:

http://trac.filezilla-project.org/ticket/3626

which seemed to match the problem. Nothing I tried at the time got
around this problem. My next thing to try was switching to AT-TLS
which someone said fixed the problem, but I have been too busy to
get it set up.

However I now see:

http://trac.filezilla-project.org/ticket/3684

which sounds like there might be a fix without AT-TLS.
I am going to try this this weekend.

Steve Bireley of Bluezone helped in looking at some of my traces,
and also suggested I try the Bluezone client which is free.

http://www.bluezonesoftware.com/

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[Richard Peurifoy]

Gibney, Dave wrote:
> I must have something wrong. I just installed the latest. 3.3.0.1 and
> I still get:
>
> Trace: CTransferSocket::OnReceive(), m_transferMode=0
> Trace: GnuTLS error -9: A TLS packet with unexpected length was
> received.
> Status: Server did not properly shut down TLS connection
> Error: Could not read from transfer socket: ECONNABORTED - Connection
> aborted
> Trace: CTransferSocket::TransferEnd(3)

This past weekend, I applied APAR PK77240 (UK43295 on z/OS 1.9)
to my test system and set TLSRFCLEVEL RFC4217 in FTP.DATA.

This does seem to have fixed the problem.

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[John P Kalinich]

Dave Gibney of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-***@bama.ua.edu>
wrote on 12/03/2009 12:48:37 PM:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-***@bama.ua.edu] On
>> Behalf Of Scott
>> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:55 AM
>> To: IBM-***@bama.ua.edu
>> Subject: Re: Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS directories
>> correctly
>>
>> I always use FileZilla which I'm not the fondest of. But it works!
>>

> Last I tried, the "current" version of Filezilla didn't to z/OS SSL
> secured FTP. Has that changed?

Filezilla supports FTP TLS/SSL transfers.

Regards,
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 08:31:44 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:


>So I assume you're talking about ISPF-saved member statistics. Correct me if
>I am wrong.
>
Yes

>WS_FTP Pro 12 displays PDS members two ways. (I'm working from memory
>because I don't have FTP up at the moment and my DFW z/OS is "asleep" so
>it's not a 5-second job to get on-line.) In its basic 2-panel "Windows
>explorer" screen it shows name, size, modified, etc. for each member (as I
>recall). Unfortunately the text is not cut-and-paste so that is not what I
>sent below.

This is the display I am referring to. For member names of 5 characters
or less, the size is displayed as 0K and the modified information is
blank (in WS_FTP LE, size shows up as blank, not 0K).

>
>There's also a button called "Directory Info." Clicking that brings up a
>notepad session with directory information in it, kind of like what you
>might get if you opened LISTDS output in an editor. That's what I
>cut-and-pasted from below.
>

Yes, that works - even in WSFTP LE.

It is the explorer display that I use for a transfer. I often just want to
transfer
the last updated PDS member(s) so I want to click on the modified column
from the explorer display. If the member is 5 chars or less, there is
nothing to sort on since the information is blank. This is the part I was
curious about to see if it had ever been fixed. It's possible I could get
a newer version by opening a help desk ticket.

I have Bluezone (Seagull), but since I've used WSFTP LE since my first days
of using an FTP GUI, I've always been more comfortable using WSFTP Pro.
It is also integrated with my workstation that my employer provides.

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[Chuck Arney]

Mark, WS_FTP 12 Pro displays the stats (and sorts the modified column)
just fine for PDS member names of any length. I just tested it with
names less than 5 characters and it worked fine for 1, 2, 3 character
member names.

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> Subject: Re: Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying OMVS directories
> correctly
>
> It is the explorer display that I use for a transfer. I often just
want
> to
> transfer
> the last updated PDS member(s) so I want to click on the modified
column
> from the explorer display. If the member is 5 chars or less, there is
> nothing to sort on since the information is blank. This is the part I
was
> curious about to see if it had ever been fixed. It's possible I could
get
> a newer version by opening a help desk ticket.
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:23:40 -0600, Chuck Arney <***@ILLUSTRO.COM> wrote:

>Mark, WS_FTP 12 Pro displays the stats (and sorts the modified column)
>just fine for PDS member names of any length. I just tested it with
>names less than 5 characters and it worked fine for 1, 2, 3 character
>member names.
>

Thanks Chuck. If anyone can confirm a release higher than 7 but lower
than 12 that also works, I'd be interested to know since I have know
idea what version I may be able to get when I contact the local help
desk (I hope they have something more current available). Offline
email is fine.

Regards,

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[David Long]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:55:25 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:23:40 -0600, Chuck Arney wrote:
>
>>Mark, WS_FTP 12 Pro displays the stats (and sorts the modified column)
>>just fine for PDS member names of any length. I just tested it with
>>names less than 5 characters and it worked fine for 1, 2, 3 character
>>member names.
>>
>
>Thanks Chuck. If anyone can confirm a release higher than 7 but lower
>than 12 that also works, I'd be interested to know since I have know
>idea what version I may be able to get when I contact the local help
>desk (I hope they have something more current available). Offline
>email is fine.
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark
>--

Mark,
I can confirm that WS_FTP Pro version 9.1 (2004.08.18) is broken in the same
way version 7 is, so you want a later version than 9.1.

Regards,
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[Mark Zelden]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:07:14 -0600, David Long <***@RITEAID.COM> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:55:25 -0600, Mark Zelden wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:23:40 -0600, Chuck Arney wrote:
>>
>>>Mark, WS_FTP 12 Pro displays the stats (and sorts the modified column)
>>>just fine for PDS member names of any length. I just tested it with
>>>names less than 5 characters and it worked fine for 1, 2, 3 character
>>>member names.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks Chuck. If anyone can confirm a release higher than 7 but lower
>>than 12 that also works, I'd be interested to know since I have know
>>idea what version I may be able to get when I contact the local help
>>desk (I hope they have something more current available). Offline
>>email is fine.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Mark
>>--
>
>Mark,
>I can confirm that WS_FTP Pro version 9.1 (2004.08.18) is broken in the same
>way version 7 is, so you want a later version than 9.1.
>
>Regards,
>Dave Long
>

Thanks. Anyone with V10 or V11? :-)

Mark
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[Neil Duffee]

On 2009-12-02 21:35 concerning "Ipswitch WS_FTP Pro 12 not displaying
OMVS directories correctly", Charles Mills <***@M...org> wrote to
IBM-Main:

> [snip] using WS_FTP Pro [snip]

> I just tried to access some OMVS files and they are displaying very
> strangely in WS_FTP. [snip] If I set the filter to *, then the names
> are displayed but folders [snip]

Charles : I see in other messages that you've resolved your problem
but I also spotted the following in my Ws_ftp_LE v5.08 Help for
Filter Mask :

"Note to those familiar with FTP command line clients: You can use
any argument string you would use with a "Dir" command in a command
line FTP client."

- an' shur'nuff, when I entered a mask other than '*' ie. 'e*',
all my directories disappeared since DIR is not equal LS.
(Communication Server for z/OS v1.9 User Guide)

ps. I use two profiles in Ws_ftp_LE - z/OS (IBM MVS) and z/Unix
(Unix Standard).

"We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming."

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[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:37:55 -0500, Neil Duffee wrote:
>
> - an' shur'nuff, when I entered a mask other than '*' ie. 'e*',
>all my directories disappeared since DIR is not equal LS.
>(Communication Server for z/OS v1.9 User Guide)
>
More pertinent, '*' is resolved not by ls, but by shell.
It depends on whether the server does popen("ls") or
pipe/fork/exec "ls".

-- gil

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[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:43:30 -0800, Charles Mills <***@MCN.ORG> wrote:

>configured as (as they call it) "IBM MVS." Should we tell them that the name
>changed about twenty years ago, or should that just be our little secret?
>
Leave it as it is.

Particularly if customers would be required to rename their profiles
to accommodate.

This is a case where downward compatibility trumps marketing fluff;
akin to embedding version strings in data set names.

Case in point: at OS/390 2.10, "uname -s" returned "OS/390". Then,
in a colossal blunder, at z/OS 1.1, it changed to reflect the
marketing-motivated name change, the developers not realizing
that the returned value was a programming interface, particularly
for GNU Autoconf. Things broke. Users complained. Fortunately,
IBM listened to reason, and the result string is back to "OS/390".

-- gil

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