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"Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
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David Staudacher
2018-08-14 22:24:42 UTC
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Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc) respond with:
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given here:
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?

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John McKown
2018-08-15 12:10:34 UTC
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Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know of
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC (7:09
a.m. US Central).
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Don Poitras
2018-08-15 13:38:08 UTC
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Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know of
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC (7:09
a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <><
John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still
get "Forbidden".
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John McKown
2018-08-15 13:41:49 UTC
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In article <
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know of
(publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc) respond
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC (7:09
a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <><
John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still
get "Forbidden".
Ah, I did not understand and did not try to "drill down". I just did and
you are correct. Either IBM has decided to decommission this function and
forgot to remove all the traces, or the permissions on the files have the
wrong permissions. Or they just don't really give a ---- about z/OS
anymore. Much like my upper management.
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John McKown
2018-08-15 13:48:21 UTC
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On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of CDs(!)
with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even "MVS
Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10 Collecftion
September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know
of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fib
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750b645
7d69cf08d602b45d65%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C6366
99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOiX31A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library Server
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still get
"Forbidden".
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Steve Smith
2018-08-15 14:11:36 UTC
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Weelll... that's kinda what "unsupported" means.

IMHO, the so-called PFCSKs are getting a bad rap. Management controls what
a company does, not programmers.

sas
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
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Susan Shumway
2018-08-15 19:27:30 UTC
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Hi all,

I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
, encountered a problem and went down. So, all links to those domains
won't work. The involved teams continue to investigate solutions, but
there is currently no ETA for a fix. We'll keep you posted.

The good news here is that the content itself is still available - you
just need to use a different method to access it:
1. Use Softcopy Librarian to download PDF and BookManager formats of
whatever content you need. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000640 to download
Softcopy Librarian and
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ebrscl1/toc.htm
for more information about it.
2. View the content using one of two methods:
--- If you're running Library Server for z/OS in your enterprise, you
can use it to host the content locally. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bks/bks.htm
for more information about Library Server.
--- If you're not running Library Server, simply use the appropriate
tool to access your preferred format of the content: Softcopy Reader for
BookManager or Adobe Acrobat for PDF. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ab0in02/toc.htm
for more information about Softcopy Reader.

-Sue Shumway
Post by John McKown
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of CDs(!)
with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even "MVS
Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10 Collecftion
September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know
of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fib
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750b645
7d69cf08d602b45d65%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C6366
99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOiX31A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library Server
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still get
"Forbidden".
--
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Mike Shaw
2018-08-15 21:23:05 UTC
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Post by Susan Shumway
Hi all,
I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
, encountered a problem and went down. So, all links to those domains
won't work <snip>
A lot of knowledgeable old-time employees of IBM "retire":

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17261798/ibm-layoffs-retirements-older-workers-age-discrimination-claims)

and then we have two major web doc snafus within the recent past.

Somehow related?

Mike Shaw
Susan Shumway
2018-08-16 19:36:15 UTC
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Along with the Softcopy Librarian option, we now also have repositories
for the individual PDFs and BookManager files and will soon make
available Adobe Indexed PDF Collections of the archived releases
(thanks, Geoff Smith!!). Please see the updated IBM z/OS Internet
Library Archive page for links to all of the information:
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives

Feedback request: Please let us know what you think of the viability of
any of these methods, especially the Acrobat Indexed Collections (as
soon as they're available), as long-term replacements of the served
Library Server content. Library Server is no longer updated, so it makes
sense to move to more current content retrieval methods if possible.
Thanks in advance!

-Sue Shumway
Post by Susan Shumway
Hi all,
I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
, encountered a problem and went down. So, all links to those domains
won't work. The involved teams continue to investigate solutions, but
there is currently no ETA for a fix. We'll keep you posted.
The good news here is that the content itself is still available - you
1. Use Softcopy Librarian to download PDF and BookManager formats of
whatever content you need. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000640 to download
Softcopy Librarian and
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ebrscl1/toc.htm
for more information about it.
--- If you're running Library Server for z/OS in your enterprise, you
can use it to host the content locally. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bks/bks.htm
for more information about Library Server.
--- If you're not running Library Server, simply use the appropriate
tool to access your preferred format of the content: Softcopy Reader for
BookManager or Adobe Acrobat for PDF. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ab0in02/toc.htm
for more information about Softcopy Reader.
-Sue Shumway
Post by John McKown
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of CDs(!)
with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even "MVS
Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10 Collecftion
September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know
of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fib
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750b645
7d69cf08d602b45d65%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C6366
99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOiX31A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library Server
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still get
"Forbidden".
--
Don Poitras - SAS Development  -  SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive
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Allan Staller
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Thanks Sue, John, et. al. for the prompt response.



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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-***@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Susan Shumway
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 2:36 PM
To: IBM-***@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?

Along with the Softcopy Librarian option, we now also have repositories for the individual PDFs and BookManager files and will soon make available Adobe Indexed PDF Collections of the archived releases (thanks, Geoff Smith!!). Please see the updated IBM z/OS Internet Library Archive page for links to all of the information:
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a7cb0a445e48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C636700449949520163&amp;sdata=sJV%2FLZrkJZOs%2F9PDiQzIFWvctst7b1NUj659wy7Yn%2Fs%3D&amp;reserved=0

Feedback request: Please let us know what you think of the viability of any of these methods, especially the Acrobat Indexed Collections (as soon as they're available), as long-term replacements of the served Library Server content. Library Server is no longer updated, so it makes sense to move to more current content retrieval methods if possible.
Thanks in advance!

-Sue Shumway
Post by Susan Shumway
Hi all,
I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.ibm.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library
-archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a7cb0a445e
48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C6367004
49949520163&amp;sdata=sJV%2FLZrkJZOs%2F9PDiQzIFWvctst7b1NUj659wy7Yn%2F
s%3D&amp;reserved=0 , encountered a problem and went down. So, all
links to those domains won't work. The involved teams continue to
investigate solutions, but there is currently no ETA for a fix. We'll
keep you posted.
The good news here is that the content itself is still available - you
1. Use Softcopy Librarian to download PDF and BookManager formats of
whatever content you need. See
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fdocview.wss%3Fuid%3Dswg24000640&amp;data=02%7C01%
7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a7cb0a445e48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de73
7c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C636700449949520163&amp;sdata=WhbJP
kH%2BQ9%2Fu8kcCEWWccdPCZRSlnzyfbjJGouqrCCU%3D&amp;reserved=0 to
download Softcopy Librarian and
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3
.ebrscl1%2Ftoc.htm&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a
7cb0a445e48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%
7C636700449949520163&amp;sdata=oOAZQjwi%2BnpGnpMeFBCbD%2FrrRa8hDCmz5aB
EOB9pAuc%3D&amp;reserved=0
for more information about it.
--- If you're running Library Server for z/OS in your enterprise, you
can use it to host the content locally. See
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3
.bks%2Fbks.htm&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a7cb0
a445e48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63
6700449949520163&amp;sdata=QYbueTY0OoSltWnmC1WomlP8hMrdob85XEIPxjPVbSs
%3D&amp;reserved=0 for more information about Library Server.
--- If you're not running Library Server, simply use the appropriate
tool to access your preferred format of the content: Softcopy Reader
for BookManager or Adobe Acrobat for PDF. See
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww
.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3
.ab0in02%2Ftoc.htm&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C63ff7a
7cb0a445e48a5408d603af91c7%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%
7C636700449949530172&amp;sdata=LG5u%2B1PR0Bd7kJQnVybK07Hlu9lZEH8tFDn0N
2QjkE0%3D&amp;reserved=0 for more information about Softcopy Reader.
-Sue Shumway
Post by John McKown
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only
existed in BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of
CDs(!) with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even
"MVS Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10
Collecftion September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I
know of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe,
etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F
ib
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-librar
y-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750b6
45
7d69cf08d602b45d65%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C63
66
99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOiX3
1A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library Server
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
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Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H.
Gonnet Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you
still get "Forbidden".
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While I have some sympathy for wanting new content to be delivered in whatever
way is easiest and/or most maintainable, I just can't agree that dropping
the old web pages has any benefit. So now, instead of clicking on a book
and seeing the content, I have to download a pdf or a boo file? Why would
I? Almost all of my z/OS bookmarks are now dead. I guess that's one way
to force us to use the knowledgecenter.
Post by Susan Shumway
Along with the Softcopy Librarian option, we now also have repositories
for the individual PDFs and BookManager files and will soon make
available Adobe Indexed PDF Collections of the archived releases
(thanks, Geoff Smith!!). Please see the updated IBM z/OS Internet
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Feedback request: Please let us know what you think of the viability of
any of these methods, especially the Acrobat Indexed Collections (as
soon as they're available), as long-term replacements of the served
Library Server content. Library Server is no longer updated, so it makes
sense to move to more current content retrieval methods if possible.
Thanks in advance!
-Sue Shumway
Post by Susan Shumway
Hi all,
I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
, encountered a problem and went down. So, all links to those domains
won't work. The involved teams continue to investigate solutions, but
there is currently no ETA for a fix. We'll keep you posted.
The good news here is that the content itself is still available - you
1. Use Softcopy Librarian to download PDF and BookManager formats of
whatever content you need. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg24000640 to download
Softcopy Librarian and
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ebrscl1/toc.htm
for more information about it.
--- If you're running Library Server for z/OS in your enterprise, you
can use it to host the content locally. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bks/bks.htm
for more information about Library Server.
--- If you're not running Library Server, simply use the appropriate
tool to access your preferred format of the content: Softcopy Reader for
BookManager or Adobe Acrobat for PDF. See
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ab0in02/toc.htm
for more information about Softcopy Reader.
-Sue Shumway
Post by John McKown
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of CDs(!)
with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even "MVS
Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10 Collecftion
September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I know
of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe, etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fib
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750b645
7d69cf08d602b45d65%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C6366
99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOiX31A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library Server
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H. Gonnet
Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still get
"Forbidden".
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I like and use Softcopy Librarian to maintain my local copies of the manuals. And the Shelf Organizer piece of Softcopy Reader

And I will once again reiterate the futile request to have Bookmanager format be returned to service :)
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Susan Shumway
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
Along with the Softcopy Librarian option, we now also have repositories for
the individual PDFs and BookManager files and will soon make available
Adobe Indexed PDF Collections of the archived releases (thanks, Geoff
Smith!!). Please see the updated IBM z/OS Internet Library Archive page for
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_servers_resourcelink_svc00100.nsf_pages_zos-
2Dlibrary-
2Darchives&d=DwIFaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-
vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=pcfbr_OjAUjcgo-
njoH7KxsvuKUIhVCVi4NGvTgeqp4&e=
Feedback request: Please let us know what you think of the viability of any of
these methods, especially the Acrobat Indexed Collections (as soon as
they're available), as long-term replacements of the served Library Server
content. Library Server is no longer updated, so it makes sense to move to
more current content retrieval methods if possible.
Thanks in advance!
-Sue Shumway
Post by Susan Shumway
Hi all,
I was just brought up to speed on what's going on with Library Server.
The IBM-hosted instance of Library Server, which is what serves the
content that is linked from
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_serve
Post by Susan Shumway
rs_resourcelink_svc00100.nsf_pages_zos-2Dlibrary-
2Darchives&d=DwIFaQ&c
Post by Susan Shumway
=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&
Post by Susan Shumway
m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=pcfbr_OjAUjcgo-
njoH7Kx
Post by Susan Shumway
svuKUIhVCVi4NGvTgeqp4&e= , encountered a problem and went down. So,
all links to those domains won't work. The involved teams continue to
investigate solutions, but there is currently no ETA for a fix. We'll
keep you posted.
The good news here is that the content itself is still available - you
1. Use Softcopy Librarian to download PDF and BookManager formats of
whatever content you need. See
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_suppo
Post by Susan Shumway
rt_docview.wss-3Fuid-
3Dswg24000640&d=DwIFaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk
Post by Susan Shumway
4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3
Post by Susan Shumway
-vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=rqObtIzgsvSSdguTEP2-
txQn3s0wa42BKhq5loJNh0w&e=
Post by Susan Shumway
to download Softcopy Librarian and
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_suppo
Post by Susan Shumway
rt_knowledgecenter_SSLTBW-
5F2.3.0_com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ebrscl1_toc.htm&d=D
Post by Susan Shumway
wIFaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo
Post by Susan Shumway
5sWE9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-
vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=osP0wrwiBpHsQ2g
Post by Susan Shumway
18DS6YX5YAEG39urNrA1CySiVBs0&e=
for more information about it.
--- If you're running Library Server for z/OS in your enterprise, you
can use it to host the content locally. See
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_suppo
Post by Susan Shumway
rt_knowledgecenter_SSLTBW-
5F2.3.0_com.ibm.zos.v2r3.bks_bks.htm&d=DwIFa
Post by Susan Shumway
Q&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE
Post by Susan Shumway
9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-
vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=XCzCw3mz52a_9qlkIo0
Post by Susan Shumway
kAFNtJM0ZjCj3r4KBO7p3scU&e= for more information about Library
Server.
Post by Susan Shumway
--- If you're not running Library Server, simply use the appropriate
tool to access your preferred format of the content: Softcopy Reader
for BookManager or Adobe Acrobat for PDF. See
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
3A__www.ibm.com_suppo
Post by Susan Shumway
rt_knowledgecenter_SSLTBW-
5F2.3.0_com.ibm.zos.v2r3.ab0in02_toc.htm&d=D
Post by Susan Shumway
wIFaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo
Post by Susan Shumway
5sWE9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-
vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=z9bd6PGb-34sCaM
Post by Susan Shumway
SULbTkObEPx5AVMy-ApfDIYFrZ8U&e= for more information about
Softcopy
Post by Susan Shumway
Reader.
-Sue Shumway
Post by John McKown
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops
running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only
existed in BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
good question. I am glad that I am a pack rat. I have a number of
CDs(!) with labels like: "OS/390 Collection December 1997" and even
"MVS Collection December 1997" or perhaps more popular "z/OS V1R10
Collecftion September 2008".
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Don Poitras
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?
In article <
l.com>
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
you
On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 5:24 PM David Staudacher
Post by David Staudacher
Starting yesterday, all the Book Manager/Library Server libs I
know of (publibz.boulder..., publibfp.boulder..., publibfp.dhe,
etc)
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
This includes links provide *by IBM*, such as all the doc links given
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__apac01.safeli
nks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttp-253A-252F-
252Fib&d=DwIFaQ
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
sWE9w&m=2_CBOYm8VhSZPXTYnf7ZYn3-vxvEiDL90yG6RlTYciE&s=-
UIiE1MWEHiu
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
GUsJvvJPCkARqE78_b0VZmmhD6j80EU&e=
m.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-
librar
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
y-
archives&amp;data=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C0e8a5a6750
b6
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
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Post by David Staudacher
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99371056784819&amp;sdata=4IJbJ7XQGaElZclDKz2Xn0EOXz6DbO8l8Y0slOi
X3
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Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
1A
%3D&amp;reserved=0 Did I miss an announcement that Library
Server
Post by Susan Shumway
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC
(7:09 a.m. US Central).
--
Between infinite and short there is a big difference. -- G.H.
Gonnet Maranatha! <>< John McKown
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you
still get "Forbidden".
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I have PDFs going back to V1R4.

Charles


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Subject: Re: "Library Server" Access Now "Forbidden"?

On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops running
unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in
BKM format (there were no PDF's available).

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I still keep a full set of z/OS 1.13 bookmanager books on dasd that I occasionally use with TSO Bookmanager Read, just because I'm used to using it, and it's quick to search. We don't typically exploit anything new, so for most of what I'm searching for, the 1.13 books are perfectly accurate.

Dana
On a more serious note than my previous reply. There are many shops running unsupported HW and SW.
As I recall, some of the early documentation for z/OS 1.x only existed in BKM format (there were no PDF's available).
How are those people going to get the necessary information?
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Post by David Staudacher
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC (7:09
a.m. US Central).
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still
get "Forbidden".
Grrr... And at page:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1/en/homepage.html

under "More Topics" on the right, I see a link to: z/OS DFSMS.
If I "Change Verson" to 2.3.0, I see no such link. Is IBM trying
to tell us that DFSMS has gone away in 2.3?

And it's *w*a*a*y*y* slow! Is it too much Javascript or too much GDPR?

And they've somehow stolen the "Find in Page" facility. It seems to succeed
finding "DFSMS", but does not focus or highlight the string. (on:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3/en/homepage.html
) If they ever get it working, they're bound to change it.

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Well, I started a wikipedia article on DFP and it went away on the grounds that it was not notable. So maybe IBM has been talking to wiki?


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http://secure-web.cisco.com/11fsXf8g3xHq_7VrEwaydTpETtUhTLZwb5njf7f7jOBHFfPwsW9_gzGwfWme-NcV98RZokZoATKMxKUBy8sB-UgYydVjftH-WgZnRv7bK1Lo_upe1WgPXtwCKOZWDy3qiaSLssJQr0JZUN_Xgp9hUv2kYNX7Lu4FCRYsrnO_bz4I_wVzjECRzv39YwcJ5fm8XNNMOZuIpS0j4WgaTcU7jYOXyH-gsqn6pSXSd51O74mnjRQ1WC-T20Ju81feA4GiW29jYebB3u-hexgcQCJuQlr5mNv3U5kbauBNDKAEkReAKXrT6cGwzygpm4FyCvg7NX0nkbUPsU3ytW9LS8sgZn-qigXeuZMR6nR_UgCEVt7ePo2HjC9kyutT2M-HmR8pCAuoznt4NFx6DWgnXlIsXMgsYWanLD1hlUPAc65pq5-RN8735rnQK0Nl6ZBDA1PZH/http%3A%2F%2Fibm.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzos-library-archives
Post by John McKown
Post by David Staudacher
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
Must be fixed. I just went to the above with no problems. 12:09 UTC (7:09
a.m. US Central).
FSVO "fixed". If you click on one of the book manager links, you still
get "Forbidden".
Grrr... And at page:
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1JcRYBnVcYnjYXN5ZWsUrm8Sf4gwYds_uRp6Dv9eZFx6-60c-lPr7iAPZP0bkxZU4H8Lzvy4ETLGtewvqzEzCwNdIPXy14N0guvXD2PoJ7hm3cRPaX3UD3PEkxNo15t-zkF9Q4iboqq79VPjc1gNN3RNf8BKvzFGqW9OlVI0X7Ug8rD4eIiGz4F4DIjPa0XHbWbCA6zPLrYIi1xdyNdPwSK4n1ivPBbTFuHOjf4l-7LFBHcbJis57yQMRXrh6TTzoAq1g4OYIQmNZ4vUGJmp7rG_5iFF1AS39yIe3jeYZ-jurARr-y0XcKV4QRY7jFG9jg_H7hV5TkQssDaY7fT0WVWS_5REWEmxuKqMmCkJGYyNoG8tWCzmt27kf3KArTQff8kJVF0kfde0uXj2djF0YOchxaEnoOktN98cG01AzynBZb4sKyb_kSqoNLRJsH6gJ/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSLTBW_2.1.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r1%2Fen%2Fhomepage.html

under "More Topics" on the right, I see a link to: z/OS DFSMS.
If I "Change Verson" to 2.3.0, I see no such link. Is IBM trying
to tell us that DFSMS has gone away in 2.3?

And it's *w*a*a*y*y* slow! Is it too much Javascript or too much GDPR?

And they've somehow stolen the "Find in Page" facility. It seems to succeed
finding "DFSMS", but does not focus or highlight the string. (on:
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1b97vzt0IXbAULyLUS_BCUrPHoZV9WchmvBI5WRyel7_5RtcDeXJRzNT-bJbdMQBBFIv5F8DHBfuxuGwbicaRLrTkmydXEnEulq0Y4jBUe5xJefTTc18GblXxenzRTcsP8NkG4otKQGhKR91QmHFBMroVVIJyfXyxpyE8GG9LRVnGVoLDV4ah9PSPk_OwyXXGyCVSNykkzFOGzVfeX5j4Ksh6rz7ouxT2vxG8gyAKasiY0QoCSH-BC1gbf2DNC3hiSJvdxtAGkuw_hYQoqh1N3obhb4l3xWzfvAH-iJgGzCs1DLB8CCxli4Ug6ubW8OdzAqDLt0rI2ZQcYrtwV8LlzUF3dSngKc6FHhBTYwzA6x0FSToF0xUzaU2whcyOTV8IZVhow82tscsOQK_i4lUlU6wlozuIOymHN3xsfEpyt3eRF-HqKbDwkjxotEGLPIya/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgecenter%2Fen%2FSSLTBW_2.3.0%2Fcom.ibm.zos.v2r3%2Fen%2Fhomepage.html
) If they ever get it working, they're bound to change it.

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I'm told that this was an unplanned event due to a reason that I believe
to be sound, but which I am afraid I cannot share. The timing and
appearance of this problem are indeed unfortunate, coming as it does
hard on the heels of other disruptions, but I am assured that we had
*no* intent to remove access to this information and that work is under
way to restore access to it as quickly as possible.
Post by David Staudacher
"Forbidden: You don't have permission to access <folder-name> on this server".
http://ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zos-library-archives
Did I miss an announcement that Library Server was going away?
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As John eluded to, there was an issue with the publibz server that is being worked on.......stay tuned.

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Thanks for the update Sue!
I realize the Library Server docs pertain to no-longer-supported releases, but I still use them quite often in cases where essential content hasn't changed. In such cases, I also prefer them in web-posting and email to reference a specific page in a given doc since they also have much shorter native URLs than the Knowledge Center versions.
I look forward to hearing when the service is restored as Library Server is my only means of access here at work, where we are not allowed to self-install any software on our company workstations.



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2018-08-16 19:38:08 UTC
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You're welcome, David! Please see my most recent post and let me know if
you still can't take advantage of any of the newly provided options.
Teams continue to work to make the served Library Server available, but
its time might be short.

-Sue Shumway
Post by David Staudacher
Thanks for the update Sue!
I realize the Library Server docs pertain to no-longer-supported releases, but I still use them quite often in cases where essential content hasn't changed. In such cases, I also prefer them in web-posting and email to reference a specific page in a given doc since they also have much shorter native URLs than the Knowledge Center versions.
I look forward to hearing when the service is restored as Library Server is my only means of access here at work, where we are not allowed to self-install any software on our company workstations.
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And I will once again reiterate the futile request to have Bookmanager format be returned to service :)
Or to have Bookmanager format open sourced...? Seriously, what's in it
for IBM to sit on a data format it no longer uses or supports? Surely
others would take it and run with it.
Would there be sufficient community interest to maintain it? On what
variety of platforms? PDF and HTML readers, in contrast, seem to support
themselves.

They'd need also to open source the content.

Some years ago, the PoOps outgrew the capacity of Bookie. What refracturing
would be necessary to extend that capacity? I suspect IBM investigated and
shied away.

It's irritating to find a manual split, like Assembler Services, at an arbitrary
point in the alphabet merely to conform to processor capacity.

Long ago, we compared prices of Bookie reader for Solaris(?), XA(?), PC. The
difference exceeded the cost of the PC. Easy business decision.

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Using the PoP, with its two column format as a single example of "bookie" can't be useful is just wrong.

Bookmanager format was (is) very good for searching, and for reading parts sequentially.

Especially searching. Doing a search from the Shelf organizer passed the search on into bookie and took you right to it.

And let's not even think about the return to pain .PDF is for Idc3009 rc nn
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Post by Gibney, Dave
And I will once again reiterate the futile request to have
Bookmanager format be returned to service :)
Or to have Bookmanager format open sourced...? Seriously, what's in it
for IBM to sit on a data format it no longer uses or supports? Surely
others would take it and run with it.
Would there be sufficient community interest to maintain it? On what
variety of platforms? PDF and HTML readers, in contrast, seem to support
themselves.
They'd need also to open source the content.
Some years ago, the PoOps outgrew the capacity of Bookie. What
refracturing would be necessary to extend that capacity? I suspect IBM
investigated and shied away.
It's irritating to find a manual split, like Assembler Services, at an arbitrary
point in the alphabet merely to conform to processor capacity.
Long ago, we compared prices of Bookie reader for Solaris(?), XA(?), PC. The
difference exceeded the cost of the PC. Easy business decision.
--gil
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Edward Finnell
2018-08-16 23:30:54 UTC
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Think Ed Jaffe mentioned they are bringing back lookat under new wrappers in knowledge base.


https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/lookatkc?OpenDocument
 
Unfortunately, I can't make it find idc3009I rc xx for anything.  
In a message dated 8/16/2018 5:07:29 PM Central Standard Time, ***@WSU.EDU writes:

 
Especially searching. Doing a search from the Shelf organizer passed the search on into bookie and took you right to it.


And let's not even think about the return to pain .PDF is for Idc3009 rc nn

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I avoid the Knowledge base. Last time I was there, it was really poor for sequential reading
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Think Ed Jaffe mentioned they are bringing back lookat under new wrappers
in knowledge base.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www-
2D01.ibm.com_servers_resourcelink_svc00100.nsf_pages_lookatkc-
3FOpenDocument&d=DwIFaQ&c=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8Ldrrv
xQb-
Je7sw&r=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w&m=vjzQKBznNqcKo3dRlFo7y022d9H
cy8kYuF6irKI8DJ8&s=ltaXJi_o_DesKItfkJLPuss5CnzFx__LTY8s4T0oOoE&e=
Unfortunately, I can't make it find idc3009I rc xx for anything. In a message
Especially searching. Doing a search from the Shelf organizer passed the
search on into bookie and took you right to it.
And let's not even think about the return to pain .PDF is for Idc3009 rc nn
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Seymour J Metz
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Post by Paul Gilmartin
Would there be sufficient community interest to maintain it?
If they only open sourced BM/READ? Probably not. If they open sourced the whole suite from DCF through BM/READ? Probably yes.
Post by Paul Gilmartin
On what variety of platforms?
Well, a Linux port would be 99% of the way to *bsd and Unix ports? Windoze you probably only need to worry about 64 bit.
Post by Paul Gilmartin
They'd need also to open source the content.
I doubt it.
Post by Paul Gilmartin
Some years ago, the PoOps outgrew the capacity of Bookie. What
refracturing (sic) would be necessary to extend that capacity?
You'd probably need to support a legacy format and an enhanced format, with most of the code common to both.
Post by Paul Gilmartin
Long ago, we compared prices
If they open sourced it then there would be no price.


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Post by Gibney, Dave
And I will once again reiterate the futile request to have Bookmanager format be returned to service :)
Or to have Bookmanager format open sourced...? Seriously, what's in it
for IBM to sit on a data format it no longer uses or supports? Surely
others would take it and run with it.
Would there be sufficient community interest to maintain it? On what
variety of platforms? PDF and HTML readers, in contrast, seem to support
themselves.

They'd need also to open source the content.

Some years ago, the PoOps outgrew the capacity of Bookie. What refracturing
would be necessary to extend that capacity? I suspect IBM investigated and
shied away.

It's irritating to find a manual split, like Assembler Services, at an arbitrary
point in the alphabet merely to conform to processor capacity.

Long ago, we compared prices of Bookie reader for Solaris(?), XA(?), PC. The
difference exceeded the cost of the PC. Easy business decision.

--gil

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