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Ed Jaffe
2017-11-21 21:28:52 UTC
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Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.

The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!

IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating in
the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...


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Tom Conley
2017-11-22 02:55:59 UTC
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On 11/21/2017 4:28 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
> Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
>
> The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>
> IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating in
> the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...
>
>

LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard. WAKE UP, MAN!

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Ed Jaffe
2017-11-22 03:35:29 UTC
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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
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> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the
DEL key simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less*
serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer
overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over a
remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded
except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best.
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't
"eat" their own "cooking."

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Charles Mills
2017-11-22 03:42:19 UTC
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Tom Brennan Vista?

Charles

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
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> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard. WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best.
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" their own "cooking."

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Ed Jaffe
2017-11-22 03:49:08 UTC
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On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> Tom Brennan Vista?

We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most
well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270,
etc. even x3270

I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and
spoon...

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Tom Brennan
2017-11-26 17:11:43 UTC
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Yes, even though I don't do a lot of systems work these days, I still do
logon to something every day. And since I never learned to touch-type,
my backspace and delete keys are probably the most used :)

Ed Jaffe wrote:
> On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>> Tom Brennan Vista?
>
>
> We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most
> well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270,
> etc. even x3270
>
> I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and
> spoon...
>

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David Crayford
2017-11-22 05:06:12 UTC
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On 22/11/2017 11:36 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
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>> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!
>
> This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly,
> the DEL key simply does not work any more!
>
> Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less*
> serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer
> overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over
> a remote connection!)
>
> I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded
> except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.
>
> It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best.
> The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they
> don't "eat" their own "cooking."

It's disconcerting that IBM don't seem to have automated regressions
tests for PCOMM! A broken delete key is an absolute howler.

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zMan
2017-11-22 06:05:54 UTC
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>It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. The
developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat"
their own "cooking."

Silly man: assuming that there's anybody left at IBM to test anything any
more! Don't be daft. With fewer than 25K domestic employees, who's got time
to test?! Just ship it.

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Ed Jaffe
2017-11-22 15:26:25 UTC
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On 11/21/2017 7:36 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
> This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly,
> the DEL key simply does not work any more!

I opened a PMR and IBM was able to identify and fix the problem
overnight. I installed an updated pcskbd.dll this morning and all is well.

Still shocked that I was the first to discover something so incredibly
fundamental! It proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that not a
single mainframe programmer actually *used* this product before it
shipped...

I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes for
an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming world...)

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Mark Pace
2017-11-27 18:12:42 UTC
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Have to many users that are dieing on V12.0.2
They still have not added the update to Fix Central. :(

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Ed Jaffe <***@phoenixsoftware.com>
wrote:

> On 11/21/2017 7:36 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>> This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the
>> DEL key simply does not work any more!
>>
>
> I opened a PMR and IBM was able to identify and fix the problem overnight.
> I installed an updated pcskbd.dll this morning and all is well.
>
> Still shocked that I was the first to discover something so incredibly
> fundamental! It proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that not a single
> mainframe programmer actually *used* this product before it shipped...
>
> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes for an
> APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming world...)
>
>
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2017-11-29 19:03:02 UTC
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On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
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> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes
> for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming
> world...)

  APAR Identifier ...... IT23290      Last Changed ........ 17/11/27
  PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13


  Symptom ...... IN INCORROUT         Status ........... INTRAN
  Severity ................... 3      Date Closed .........
  Component .......... 5639I7000      Duplicate of ........
  Reported Release ......... D00      Fixed Release ............
  Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG      Special Notice
  Current Target Date ..              Flags
  SCP ...................
  Platform ............

  Status Detail: Not Available

  PE PTF List:

  PTF List:


  Parent APAR:
  Child APAR list:


  ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
  November 9, 2017.

  The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0

  The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!


  LOCAL FIX:
  None


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Jesse 1 Robinson
2017-11-22 03:42:52 UTC
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Two words. Vista TN3270.

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best.
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" their own "cooking."

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On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270


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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>
>
> One word: x3270
>
>

There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270
emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Andy Styles
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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>
>
> One word: x3270
>
>

There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

>
> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.

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> Andy Styles
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> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
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>
> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.

>
> Andy Styles
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> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my
desk. And this was a fun thread to read just now. I have not read
ibm-main for a while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain. I
think I could live in Barcelona - beautiful city.

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>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
>
>
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
>
>
>>I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
>
>
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
>
>
>>Andy Styles
>>z/Series Systems Programmer
>>
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>>
>>On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>>
>>>One word: x3270
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on
Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be
desired.)

Cheers, Martin

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

>
> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard
remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.

>
> Andy Styles
> z/Series Systems Programmer
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> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270
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Mocha TN3270 is not great by any means but it's a good example of what
can be done using JavaScript/HTML5. A really good webdev could create an
amazing 3270 emulator for the browser. Chrome apps can also run on
mobile devices and desktops so are truly cross-platform/device.

Another great chrome app is Secure Shell which is an SSH shell that runs
in the browser so you can use tabs
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo?hl=en.
884,439 users is not too bad if they all pay a dollar is it?


On 22/11/2017 6:31 PM, Martin Packer wrote:
> Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on
> Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be
> desired.)
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
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>
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> From: David Crayford <***@GMAIL.COM>
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> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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>> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
>
>> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard
> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
>
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
>
>> Andy Styles
>> z/Series Systems Programmer
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>> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>> One word: x3270
>>>
>>>
>> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
> maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270
> emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Probably overkill, but I had a separate reason to run Windows on my
MacBook Air, so I installed VMware and have Windows 10 running. As
a bonus, it runs the Vista 3270 emulator just swell. :)

In article <OF900B385D.1D8071BF-ON802581E0.0038E07A-***@uk.ibm.com> you wrote:
> Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on
> Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be
> desired.)
> Cheers, Martin
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> From: David Crayford <***@GMAIL.COM>
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> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> > Classification: Public
> > Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
> >
> > I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard
> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
> >
> > Andy Styles
> > z/Series Systems Programmer
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of David Crayford
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> > On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> >> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> >>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
> >>
> >> One word: x3270
> >>
> >>
> > There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
> maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270
> emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
>


Open source software works because users participate. Send Paul some diffs.


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On 11/22/2017 6:22 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard
>> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> Open source software works because users participate. Send Paul some
> diffs.

The latest checkins to the x3270 source tree are this month, so
obviously Paul Mattes is still at it, like 20 years later.

Open source will still be there when the vendors wander away in search
of fresh blood :)

Participate.

https://sourceforge.net/p/x3270/code/ci/master/tree/Common/

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They are indeed, but I don't have enough skills (yet..?) to rewrite bits of x3270 I want.

I have looked and attempted on a couple of occasions, and I've always failed. Because it relies on only X, and not QT or GTK, none of the features of either KDE or GNOME (or whatever that's called these days) appear to be used. I'm guessing that's because it's generically available to all Linux, and possibly beyond.

One day maybe I'll spend time and effort doing something with it!

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> On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard
>> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> Open source software works because users participate. Send Paul some
> diffs.

The latest checkins to the x3270 source tree are this month, so obviously Paul Mattes is still at it, like 20 years later.

Open source will still be there when the vendors wander away in search of fresh blood :)

Participate.

https://sourceforge.net/p/x3270/code/ci/master/tree/Common/

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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI. Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
to use. So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.

Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT are based on X11.


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI. Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
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Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name. Oh,
I assumed all GUI's were X11. If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me -
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).

Seymour J Metz wrote:
> There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT are based on X11.
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> Hi Andy...
>
> At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
> free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI. Just
> recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
> GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
> to use. So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.
>
> Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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GNOME uses GTK+, which uses X11. KDE uses QT, which uses X11.


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Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name. Oh,
I assumed all GUI's were X11. If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me -
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).

Seymour J Metz wrote:
> There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT are based on X11.
>
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> Hi Andy...
>
> At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
> free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI. Just
> recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
> GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
> to use. So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.
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On 11/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name. 
> Oh, I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for
> me - X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated
> opinion).

They're all *on top of* the X Windowing System originally from MIT,
usually the Xenocara cut these days.

GTK+ and Qt are *class libraries* implemented in terms of X.

Gnome and KDE, etc., are Windowing Managers (which are pluggable in X)
and associated Desktop Suites.

Additionally, Gnome and KDE use data buses external to the X Windowing
System to do their magic.

Writing a new substantial GUI application? Program in Java and Swing.

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> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not
> well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser
> based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
<SNIPPAGE>

This is why I use Wine with Linux (specifically, in my case,
OPENSUSE) and QWS3270.

I must confess, I haven't used QWS3270 under Wine for 10 years or
so, so it may not work with SUSE 13 and later.

Regards,
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> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
> maintained.


Have you reported the bugs? Paul has always been very responsive in my
experience.


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On 23/11/2017 9:21 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/21/2017 10:51 PM, David Crayford wrote:
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>> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well
>> maintained.
>
>
> Have you reported the bugs? Paul has always been very responsive in my
> experience.
>

No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could
open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the screen
scraper s3270.

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On 11/22/2017 7:50 PM, David Crayford wrote:
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> No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could
> open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the
> screen scraper s3270.
>

There's a bug tracker on his SourceForge repository. Some of us older
open source authors have nearly 20-year-old installations that are a
pain to move to GitHub.

I have open source on both sites. And others ;)

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On 23/11/2017 3:03 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/22/2017 7:50 PM, David Crayford wrote:
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>> No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could
>> open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the
>> screen scraper s3270.
>>
>
> There's a bug tracker on his SourceForge repository. Some of us older
> open source authors have nearly 20-year-old installations that are a
> pain to move to GitHub.
>

Really?

git init
git add .
git commit -m "Initial commit"
git remote add origin https://github.com/repo
git push

Not that painful :)


> I have open source on both sites. And others ;)
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Hi all

There are 12 members in the sysplex(NP1A-NP1M)

At 15:41:46 this afternoon, SA issue " $ CO JQ, ALL, H> 6" command triggered by HASP050 JNUM and JQES > 80% message on NP1F.

At about 15: 43: 52.58, SA issue " $ CO JQ, ALL, H> 6" command triggered by HASP050 JNUM and JQES > 80% message on all other members(except NP1F)

On all other members (except NP1F),HASP263 WAITING FOR ACCESS TO JES2 CHECKPOINT VOLUME NP1SL1 message is shown every 12 seconds after 15:41:46.

From 15: 44: 10.03 to 15: 44: 47.38 , HASP003 RC = (84), CO JQ - JOB IS BUSY, TRY LATER is shown on all members.

However, JNUM and JQES remained at more than 70% until 16:00

Befer 16:00,the output of JES2 is purged very very slowly .After 16:00 ,the output of JES2 is purged very very quickly.

The questions:

Q1. From 15:41:46 -16:00:00 ,it is about 18 minuts. During this 18 minutes, why the output is purged very very slowly?

Q2 Do we need to issue " $ CO JQ, ALL, H> 6" command on all members?

Q3. How to speed up to purge the output?

Below is the definition

MASDEF SHARED=CHECK,
DORMANCY=(20,500),
HOLD=10,
RESTART=YES,
AUTOEMEM=ON,
LOCKOUT=1200

Thanks a lot!

Jason Cai

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On 11/23/2017 12:40 AM, David Crayford wrote:
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> Really?
>
> git init
> git add .
> git commit -m "Initial commit"
> git remote add origin https://github.com/repo
> git push
>
> Not that painful :)

And then there's the wiki, the bug

* the wiki
* the bugtracker
* the revision history
* the ancillary webbage
* the site info
* the news feed
* user awareness
* ...

Folks generally aren't sending us huge sums of money to use open source.
It would be nice if they all contributed code.
The least that folks can do is indulge us open source authors in the
luxury of doing things, within reasonable bounds, to our own convenience.

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Two words. Vista TN3270.

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best.
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" their own "cooking."

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I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked.

But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different emulators. Even Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of purist than Tom. ;-)

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On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> Tom Brennan Vista?

We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, etc. even x3270

I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...

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Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day. But you may not know
that months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality
that Skip would accept it". So that day was the acid test.

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked.
>
> But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different emulators. Even Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of purist than Tom. ;-)
>
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> On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>>Tom Brennan Vista?
>
>
> We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, etc. even x3270
>
> I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...
>
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I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.

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At 11/21/2017 04:30 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
>The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating
>in the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...
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On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.
>
> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
> It is, was, and will always be the best.

It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few annoying
"features":

- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn you that
the current macro will be overwritten

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I've detested PCOMM for decades. User configuration never seemed friendly and, even with perseverance, didn't always cater to valid combinations. IND$FILE was like using a screwdriver to bang in a nail. Then there was the XMIT hoop to jump through.

The best I've ever been able to use to get my job done were Tom Brennan's Vista and Hummingbird FTP. Paradise!

>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 14:48, Robert Prins <***@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
>
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few annoying "features":
>
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn you that the current macro will be overwritten
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Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows. I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1. That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust. So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused. Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP. I was certainly wrong about that! Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:
> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
>> PCOMM.
>>
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
>
>
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
> annoying "features":
>
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
> you that the current macro will be overwritten
>
> Robert

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What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows. I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1. That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust. So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused. Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP. I was certainly wrong about that! Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:
> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
>> PCOMM.
>>
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
>
>
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
> annoying "features":
>
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
> you that the current macro will be overwritten
>
> Robert

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Years ago I was getting help from Greg Price (who seemed to know more
about 3270 protocol than anybody on the planet) to implement PSS which I
called GDDM graphics. I don't know anything about APA.

Let's see if I have the definitions correct:

PSS = Programmed Symbol Set, the host creates little bitmaps the same
size as each character cell, and sends them to the terminal. Once they
all arrive, the host then sends characters that point to each one of
those new symbols as needed to "draw" lines and arcs and whatever on the
screen. I remember seeing real 3279's go crazy with "static" for a few
seconds prior to displaying a graphic screen, and I bet that was during
the process of loading the programmed symbols.

APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot
on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe
just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on
emulators.

Seymour J Metz wrote:
> What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?
>
>
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>
> Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
> Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
> functions for dialog windows. I used more of my own code because I
> wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1. That
> was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
> left in the dust. So I need to work on that.
>
> And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused. Well, I
> said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
> totally replaced by FTP. I was certainly wrong about that! Today I
> think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
> And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
> logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
> like SHOWMVS.
>
> Robert Prins wrote:
>
>>On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
>>>PCOMM.
>>>
>>>Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>>>It is, was, and will always be the best.
>>
>>
>>It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
>>annoying "features":
>>
>>- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
>>- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
>>- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
>>- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
>>you that the current macro will be overwritten
>>
>>Robert
>
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Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for graphics support. 
 
Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
 
In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, ***@TOMBRENNANSOFTWARE.COM writes:

 
APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot
on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe
just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on
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Ha... max users=6 :) Sounds a bit like my first computer-related job.
Around 1979 I asked to be moved across the hall from the manual map
drafting department (ink on silk) to the new graphic computers. We had
10 stations running sold by this company:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computervision

The displays were storage scopes, and you could see the computer draw a
very bright temporary line on the green phosphor which then "stuck" as a
charged image, but not nearly as bright as the original flash. Lines
(and multiple lines that approximated arcs) accumulated on the screen
until the drawing was complete. To erase something, the computer would
flash a high voltage to the screen that erased everything, and then it
repainted the entire image all over again (minus what was erased). You
had to have the patience of a saint.

Edward Finnell wrote:
> Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for graphics support.
>
> Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, ***@TOMBRENNANSOFTWARE.COM writes:
>
>
> APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot
> on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send
> special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe
> just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read
> this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on
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On 2017-11-27 7:42 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> Years ago I was getting help from Greg Price

Probably circa turn of the century (before Vista was also a release of
Windows) I thought it might be nice if one the the
not-prohibitively-expensive TN3270 clients supported a form of 3270
graphics, and so I sent an email or two to Tom with a view to convincing
him that (a) programmed symbol graphics is fully documented in the 3270
Data Stream Programmer's Guide and (b) it is a "simple matter of
programming" to implement it.

Looking after a few data structure arrays must be bread-and-butter to
anyone who can code up a reliable and function-rich TN3270 client, was
my considered opinion, not that I really know about such things, of course.

Basically, the TN3270 client has to
- flag in the response to a Read Partition (Query) that it supports such
functionality
- understand and digest the LPS (Load Programmed Symbols) data stream
- render loaded symbols into the screen buffer when SA or SFE orders
request a switch to that character set.

A point to remember is that the TN3270 client cannot simply have a
storage array for each RWS (read/write storage) being emulated.

An IBM 3279G will show the "green lightning" while an LPS data stream is
being processed, but all of the RWSes added up cannot supply enough
characters to paint an entire 32x80 screen. So at least some of them
are used more than once, in the usual case, before input-inhibit is
reset (or the keyboard is unlocked, if you prefer) to allow a user response.

BUT - the symbols rendered when the "first lot" of symbols were in the
RWSes must still be rendered that way, even though the relevant RWSes
have been overlaid with a new set of symbol data, which is quite often
used to render the bit-less-than-second-half of the screen.

So, symbol data must be remembered by the TN3270 client until BOTH of
- the symbols are no longer in any current RWS
- the symbols are no longer displayed on the screen
are true.

At the time, Vista 1.24 was the current release.

Once Tom took up the challenge, in fairly short order (no comment from
me on how much work it did or did not take to do it) there was a quite
impressive (to me) Vista 1.25 which did a very good job of displaying
the graphics that I could produce.

But Tom has serious paying customers who don't really care for what I
may or may not want in a TN3270 client and so I gather that these code
changes were more of a prototype quality rather than production quality
code and so were not copied into the product's code base used going forward.
(Tom can correct me here if I have any of this wrong, of course.)

I think it was Win7 that introduced the Program Data directory, yes?

Anyway, Tom had to make a change to Vista so it was a happy Win7 citizen
(IIRC). The net result of the new directory paradigm was that it was a
pain to use the 1.25 version under Win7 and later so I gave it away in
the end.

Hmmm, probably time to cast the net more widely...

I still refer anyone who asks me about Vista 1.25 to Tom.

I asked Paul Mattes about x3270 graphics support, and he said that it
was a to-be-done thing and had been for years. I gave him a TSO
graphics program in my brief dialogue with him, and he said that he now
had his sample application, the lack of which had been one of the
stumbling blocks up till that time. He seemed confident that rendering
symbols constructed at run-time would not be a problem. I can't see
that much has been done in this area in the years since, though. Still,
he does work on it without pay (I believe) so that's understandable.
It's probably better to keep it running satisfactorily for the existing
customer base that to appease a former MVS sysprog.

My next port-of-call was Hans Erik at Nexus Terminal.

I went through my shtick and he also took up the challenge. Further, it
is now part of the base product, and therefore officially supported, I
believe.

So, for regular 3270 work, I have the choice of two great TN3270
clients, both with expert support, and for my graphics work, there's
Nexus Terminal.

(Bonus points for spotting that the map on the http://www.nexit.com/ web
page is from one of my sample pictures available from the REVIEW (TSO
command) home page and from CBT file 134.)


Cheers,
Greg

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Hi Greg!

Yes, with your help I did get the LPS functions going years ago in what
I called V1.25. It seemed fine until some people I worked with started
using it for SAS graphs and found errors. I spent a lot of time trying
to figure out what I was doing wrong, and then (sorry) kind of decided
there just wasn't enough call for it.

And I you're right around Win 7 time. With early Vista TN3270 I wanted
to go against the grain (and even MS standards) and pile everything in
one directory. That included exe, dll, support, and even parameter
files which were regularly updated by the user. The objective was to be
able to copy/backup one directory and have everything. Win 7 spoiled
that by enforcing the MS standards.

Regards,
Tom

Greg Price wrote:
> But Tom has serious paying customers who don't really care for what I
> may or may not want in a TN3270 client and so I gather that these code
> changes were more of a prototype quality rather than production quality
> code and so were not copied into the product's code base used going
> forward.
> (Tom can correct me here if I have any of this wrong, of course.)
>
> I think it was Win7 that introduced the Program Data directory, yes?
>
> Anyway, Tom had to make a change to Vista so it was a happy Win7 citizen
> (IIRC). The net result of the new directory paradigm was that it was a
> pain to use the 1.25 version under Win7 and later so I gave it away in
> the end.
>

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We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our
plotter outputs (which were to pe printed on big electrostatic Calcomp
plotters in the end).

The (most technical) software was written in Pascal and Fortran and
built the output using a graphic software which was called GKS (graphic
kernel system). GKS had two adapters, one for the Calcomp plotter and
one for GDDM, so the output (GKS metafile) could be plotted and shown
at the display station at the same time. Later we added an adapter to
HPGL (HP graphics language) and bought some HP plotters.

This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved
off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.

IIRC, some other companies here in Germany (car manufacturers) did similar
things, in the same time frame. There were even some CAD like systems
running on the mainframe.

Kind regards

Bernd



Am 26.11.2017 um 21:01 schrieb Seymour J Metz:
> What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?
>
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On 2017-11-27 7:00 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?

"All Points Addressable" and "Programmable Symbol Sets" are what I take
these acronyms (initializations?) to mean.

You could say that "GDDM graphics" is graphics performed by employing
calls to GDDM. If displaying the graphics on a TSO 3270 terminal, then
GDDM will employ one of PSS (really raster graphics - the original 3270
graphics) or what I call "native 3270 vector graphics" (no programmed
symbols here - first supported by the 3179G I believe) or the even newer
"enhanced PC handshaking vector graphics" implemented in the data stream
after PCs pretending to be 3270 terminals became widespread.

(The "PC handshaking" as I call it, was known as DOSLINK, then later on
as OS2LINK, then as PCLK, and was not used with any real 3270 hardware,
AFAIK.)

Typically, the TSO terminal will only fully support one of these. The
support for these can be determined by an application from the response
to a Read Partition (Query). PCOMM3270 allows you to enable any one or
none of these 3 3270 graphics options.

In a sense, PSS does provide APA, it could be argued.

Once you have the ability to specify the illumination of each pixel in
any of the supported colors (ok, I want to say colours) independently
from the illumination of any other pixel, you effectively have APA.

(The 3179G which supported vector graphics did also support single-plane
programmed symbols - meaning monochrome - whereas only triple-plane
programmed symbols can provide multiple colours in a single character.)

But really, with each symbol, you are specifying how a character display
location is used whenever that symbol is displayed. This is very
efficient (I think) if you have symbols that you are going to reuse
because you can specify (load) them once and then reuse them many times
with relatively small overhead.

In practice, what were they used for? Diagrams? Text with custom
symbols? I think mainly for graphs and charts - probably mainly from
MVS performance data. There may well have been many other uses by
applications, but I think it was MVS performance folks who were the
majority of users.

So how do you make a graph or chart? Well, I would make a big rectangle
of pixels into which I would project the chart, and then I would map
each 9x16 (or 8x10 or 10x8 or whatever the terminal - screen or printer
- used) cell and load each symbol into consecutive codes points and then
after the symbols were loaded then I would switch to that character set
and display those points: x'4142434445446...FCFDFEFF' and then switch to
the next character set and display those and so on until the whole chart
was on display.

Or for vector graphics, you could effectively display a bitmap by
sending rows of pixels - again the single plane (monochrome - meaning
you choose the 1 3270 colour to use) or triple-plane (RGB - really GRB
for 3270) concepts apply.

Anyway, enough of my waffle. Most of what I know about 3270 graphics is
described here:
http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/3270grfx.html

I am hardly a world authority on the topic, so if you spot anything
which needs to be corrected then please let me know - preferably with
the correction to be made.
:)

Recently I optimized the REVIEW display of pictures using programmed
symbols where LPS recycle did not occur, and so I may have broken the
display where LPS recycle did occur (ie. larger pictures) so if there is
a bug in that which you would like fixed, give the relevant test
conditions and I'll try to have a look at it.

REVIEW employs 3270 graphics to
- display PCX files
- display BMP files
- display GIF files
- don't do JPEGs because I don't understand how to decode them -
assembler code donations welcome.
<insert cheesy grin here>

Programmed symbol and native vector graphics terminals are supported by
assembler invocations of TPUT. "PC handshaking" graphics is supported
by calling GDDM.

In RFE (REVIEW Front End - poor man's PDF for use when ISPF is broken or
not present) when a specific volume is selected in option 3.4 at the
bottom of the data set list when geometry suits and programmed symbols
are supported, a row of graphics is displayed depicting the space usage
of the volume, where each vertical slice of pixels represents 1
cylinder. That is, the scale is 1 pixel per track. Tracks addressed by
the same head are in the same horizontal line of pixels. Colour code
indicates use. (eg. white=VTOC, green=DSCB1/DSCB8 descriptors,
yellow=DSCB3 descriptors, red=tracks in more than 1 extent (error) etc.)

For completeness I'll mention that the RFE main menu uses programmed
symbols under MVS/370 to display:
- virtual storage page assignment
- UIC frame population bar graph
- real storage frame assignment.
The colour codes are documented in the TSO HELP member for the RFE command.

If you want to look at REVIEW, go ahead, but do not install releases
47.5 to 47.7 into production just now - wait for 47.8 which should be
out in a few days because it will fix a few things. But if you want to
browse a tape data set made using LBI, or browse jar files in z/OS UNIX,
then REVIEW could be for you.

The REVIEW source is available so you can vet it. The only value of APF
(only use an alias for this) is to allow browsing of BCS and VVDS -
perhaps of use to sysprogs. No MODESET macros are present.
http://www.prycroft6.com.au/REVIEW/

In contrast, IMON (my 1980s z/OS monitor) - which uses 3270 graphics to
show a small logo on the main menu - is free but OCO.
http://www.prycroft6.com.au/IMON/

Then there's TERMTEST which I used to design the chess pieces for the
3270 graphics add-on to Duchess, the chess program from Duke University
written to run in a TSO session under MVT.

Ok, way too much of my waffle...

Cheers,
Greg

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On 11/27/2017 6:00 AM, Greg Price wrote:
> On 2017-11-27 7:00 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?
>
> "All Points Addressable" and "Programmable Symbol Sets" are what I
> take these acronyms (initializations?) to mean.

PCOMM refers to these as:

1. "Vector Graphics" where you specify either "native" or "advanced" and ...
2. "Programmed Symbols" where you provide a cell type of "automatic" or
"fixed" (with a cell size such as 9x16).

I have used vector graphics quite a bit in RMF output and have had
customers show me how they do as well.

Our products leverage graphics escape characters, but not PS or vector
graphics. We might, if they were more readily available.

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Thanks Dave. I hope I can live up to that.

David Cole wrote:
> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.
>
> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
> It is, was, and will always be the best.
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> At 11/21/2017 04:30 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
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>> Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
>> The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>> IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating
>> in the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...
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IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator - https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112

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On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:
> IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator - https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112

If it's as well tested as PCOMM we might have to swerve :)

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It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application
server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.


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I guess it depends on which foot the zero applies to. Most 3270 emulators are "zero host footprint" assuming you count TN3270 as a given. Otherwise, I guess IRMA and CLEO and so forth would be the only zero host footprint emulators.

Charles


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It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.


On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:
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I do count TN3270 as a given. The Chrome apps have shown you don't need
the http protocol for a browser based app.

On 22/11/2017 10:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> I guess it depends on which foot the zero applies to. Most 3270 emulators are "zero host footprint" assuming you count TN3270 as a given. Otherwise, I guess IRMA and CLEO and so forth would be the only zero host footprint emulators.
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> Charles
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> It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.
>
>
> On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:
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Wow... that's interesting, but seems to add complexity I would have
certainly avoided. I guess these days people assume servers are running
and connections are available.

David Crayford wrote:
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>
>
> On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:
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>> IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO
>> footprint 3270 emulator -
>> https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112
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>I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded
>except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

This Microsoft hack to disable the Font Cache in Windows/10 allows PCOMM 5.7 to work again


https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4038303/fonts-installed-by-using-install-as-shortcut-are-missing-after-a-syste

or shortened

https://tinyurl.com/ydgby28k

so I assume it works for 6...

Dave Wade

P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's so will my external scripts still work or do I have to fix all of them..

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> P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's

No...

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I thought about it early on, but a user would expect that the HLAPPI
program they wrote for PCOMM would work with Vista without any
modifications, and even without a recompile. Multiply that work by the
number of other existing emulator products, and I saw it as a full-time
job for about 5 people :) Sorry, that was a can of worms I didn't want
to open.

Ed Jaffe wrote:
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>> P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's
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> No...
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For those looking for a client based solution, there is also Syspertec's VIRTEL Web Access offering.

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The cheapest solution is x3270, because it's free.
The fastest and smallest terminal emulator is Norwegian Nexus. The
version I use takes less than diskette (approx 1,3 MB) and installs in
20-30 seconds. Windows only.


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> Same problem
>finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
>machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

Brown University’s tn3270 for Mac is a gem. IND$FILE support, multiple screen sizes, 3270 graphics, PSS support, the works – even a custom font with the classic 3270 zero with a dot in the center.

https://www.brown.edu/cis/tn3270/

>Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
>etc. c3270 isn't much better.

Well, x3270 and c3270 are the same core code, as is pr3270 for printing, so it’s not surprising.


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Except PF Keys are a pain - being on a virtual keypad you have to pop up.
Unless I'm missing something.

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> Same problem

>finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work

>machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.



Brown University’s tn3270 for Mac is a gem. IND$FILE support, multiple
screen sizes, 3270 graphics, PSS support, the works – even a custom font
with the classic 3270 zero with a dot in the center.



https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.brown.edu_cis_tn3270_&d=DwIGaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=foF1pvs_3FmhlqSWaileHQDEtR6U_QDFR5_CaxV5Rms&s=no6mw5LdvsdndzFe-UZSkxSECV93UIssrjMU_7-MmGE&e=




>Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,

>etc. c3270 isn't much better.



Well, x3270 and c3270 are the same core code, as is pr3270 for printing,
so it’s not surprising.





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Personal Communications and Host On-Demand both support GDDM graphics, as a
notable/important feature. I don't think there's anything else on Linux and
Macintosh that supports GDDM except HOD.

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In almost 20 years of Vista TN3270 support, I think I've had about 5
people asking for graphics, and most were for "fun" (to play chess,
display JPG images, etc.) I don't think I ever had anyone ask me for
something business oriented, such as a SAS graph.

My thoughts are that virtually all graphics have long-since moved to PC
products. I could be wrong of course.

Timothy Sipples wrote:
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> notable/important feature. I don't think there's anything else on Linux and
> Macintosh that supports GDDM except HOD.
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The reason that Vista is so good is that I was actually user #2. Tom was #1. Surely the only emulator written from scratch by an experienced--professional--mainframe programmer. I did ask for a few additional features early on, but most of what I needed was already there, recognized--and provided--by user #1.

If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file names require Highlight followed by Copy. Not a struggle, but a slight bump in the work flow. Just sayin.

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Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day. But you may not know that months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality that Skip would accept it". So that day was the acid test.

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked.
>
> But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different
> emulators. Even Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of
> purist than Tom. ;-)
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> On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>>Tom Brennan Vista?
>
>
> We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most
> well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270,
> etc. even x3270
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> I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...
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On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file names require Highlight followed by Copy.

A right mouse click on one of the slashes in the name works for me.

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You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a great time...

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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk. And this was a fun thread to read just now. I have not read ibm-main for a while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain. I think I could live in Barcelona - beautiful city.

Bill Wilkie wrote:
> I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.
>
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> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
>
>
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
>
>
>>I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
>
>
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
>
>
>>Andy Styles
>>z/Series Systems Programmer
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>Sent: 22 November 2017 05:51
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>>
>>On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>>
>>>One word: x3270
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Well, it was planned well in advance of the breakaway activities. But
if anyone here is thinking of going soon, we had no issues at all.
There were Catalonia flags hanging from balconies, a few flags of Spain
in opposition, and that's about it. But people do have strong opinions
if asked: for example, when I talked about Barcelona with a guy in
Madrid, he said, "They are not Spaniard." Ouch.

Yes, we had a great time seeing the historic, super-artistic, and very
proud people of both Barcelona and Madrid.

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a great time...
>
> .
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> Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk. And this was a fun thread to read just now. I have not read ibm-main for a while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain. I think I could live in Barcelona - beautiful city.
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> Bill Wilkie wrote:
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>>I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.
>>
>>bill
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>>behalf of David Crayford <***@GMAIL.COM>
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:26 AM
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>>
>>On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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>>
>>>Classification: Public
>>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
>>
>>
>>That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
>>It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
>>finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
>>machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
>>
>>
>>Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
>>etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Andy Styles
>>>z/Series Systems Programmer
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
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>>>On Behalf Of David Crayford
>>>Sent: 22 November 2017 05:51
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>>>
>>>On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>>>
>>>>One word: x3270
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:06:57 +0000, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT are based on X11.
>
Lots: https://renewablepcs.wordpress.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce/

Ubuntu is reportedly trying to veer away from X11. I don't think it's time for that,
given the pervasive availablity of X11 servers.
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>At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
>free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI. ...

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I'll be hornswoggled. ;-)

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On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file names require Highlight followed by Copy.

A right mouse click on one of the slashes in the name works for me.

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That might work some of the time, but it's just by chance. The function
really needs some work and testing and thinking. The thinking is the
hardest part, especially after I put a TV near my desk.

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> On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>
>>If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file names require Highlight followed by Copy.
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At UCL in the early 1980’s we had Tektronix graphics terminals that were exactly as you said. Exotic and scarce devices, fun to watch :-) , compared to the character-based terminals we all had access to. (This on GEC 4000 series mainframes.)

Martin Packer

> On 27 Nov 2017, at 06:11, Tom Brennan <***@TOMBRENNANSOFTWARE.COM> wrote:
>
> Ha... max users=6 :) Sounds a bit like my first computer-related job.
> Around 1979 I asked to be moved across the hall from the manual map
> drafting department (ink on silk) to the new graphic computers. We had
> 10 stations running sold by this company:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Computervision&d=DwICaQ&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=2_lduX0-vYU99tSZtC52Ob1_aDt3vfQtzlP2AxWzxjo&s=cUauBLOMke6VZSYZiT-RBVff3iRWsbEMpLk-a6M1Ys0&e=
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> The displays were storage scopes, and you could see the computer draw a
> very bright temporary line on the green phosphor which then "stuck" as a
> charged image, but not nearly as bright as the original flash. Lines
> (and multiple lines that approximated arcs) accumulated on the screen
> until the drawing was complete. To erase something, the computer would
> flash a high voltage to the screen that erased everything, and then it
> repainted the entire image all over again (minus what was erased). You
> had to have the patience of a saint.
>
> Edward Finnell wrote:
>> Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for graphics support.
>>
>> Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
>>
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>> APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot
>> on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send
>> special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe
>> just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read
>> this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on
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I forget, but the only big plotter was an EIA attached to a PDP-8 over in the Chemistry building. So I'd have to run the simulations on the mainframe and write the output to DTR and carry them over to the Chem lab. They didn't like me 'cause they couldn't play 'Duck Hunter' while the plotter was running.
 
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At UCL in the early 1980’s we had Tektronix graphics terminals that were exactly as you said. Exotic and scarce devices, fun to watch :-) , compared to the character-based terminals we all had access to. (This on GEC 4000 series mainframes.)

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Tom Brennan wrote:

>Well, I said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be totally replaced by FTP. I was certainly wrong about that! Today I think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.

... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be wrong! ;-)


>And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something like SHOWMVS.

It is indeed a PITA, especially if that customer's firewall and network settings block you to enter the mainframe.

Groete / Greetings
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LOL - at 06:15 with everyone else still sleeping.

Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
> ... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be wrong! ;-)

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Silly me; I thought that IND$FILE had been replaced by WSA, or some combination of FTP, SFTP and WSA.


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Tom Brennan wrote:

>Well, I said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be totally replaced by FTP. I was certainly wrong about that! Today I think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.

... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be wrong! ;-)


>And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something like SHOWMVS.

It is indeed a PITA, especially if that customer's firewall and network settings block you to enter the mainframe.

Groete / Greetings
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Bernd Oppolzer wrote:

>We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our plotter outputs .....
... This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.

Around 1990 - 2000, I and some of my colleagues used GDDM to display on a 3270 screen (PCOMM IIRC) the SAS graphs produced from SMF data. If the pic is looking great, neat and accurate, then we plot that on a desktop plotter.

Now, today I am wondering how the graphs were transferred. I simply can't remember how these plotters are connected to the PCs and how the emulator screen is transferred to a plotter. Granted, those plotters were setup before I worked with them.

It was great 'fun' if someone who used the plotter, forgot to replace the pen caps back after usage... ;-)

... You then sit with dry pens and no available wet pens while managements wants the pics NOW!!!

These days, we don't use any plotters at all. We are still have these ADM... DD statements in our TSO procs in case someone wants to use them.

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Am 27.11.2017 um 09:47 schrieb Elardus Engelbrecht:
> Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
>
>> We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our plotter outputs .....
> ... This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.
>
> Around 1990 - 2000, I and some of my colleagues used GDDM to display on a 3270 screen (PCOMM IIRC) the SAS graphs produced from SMF data. If the pic is looking great, neat and accurate, then we plot that on a desktop plotter.
>
> Now, today I am wondering how the graphs were transferred. I simply can't remember how these plotters are connected to the PCs and how the emulator screen is transferred to a plotter. Granted, those plotters were setup before I worked with them.

I guess, the original 3279 G displays had small (HP?) plotters
attached to them, so that the content of the display could
simply be hardcopied by pressing a certain key (or controlled
by the application, maybe).

I recall that another public transport company in Bochum, Germany,
had an APL application to interactively build timetables,
and this application used APL and GDDM and the 3279 G display stations
(and the attached hardcopy printer).

Kind regards

Bernd


>
> It was great 'fun' if someone who used the plotter, forgot to replace the pen caps back after usage... ;-)
>
> ... You then sit with dry pens and no available wet pens while managements wants the pics NOW!!!
>
> These days, we don't use any plotters at all. We are still have these ADM... DD statements in our TSO procs in case someone wants to use them.
>
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht
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Greg Price
2017-11-27 10:44:31 UTC
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On 2017-11-27 8:06 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
> I guess, the original 3279 G displays had small (HP?) plotters
> attached to them, so that the content of the display could
> simply be hardcopied by pressing a certain key (or controlled
> by the application, maybe).

Our SAS/MXG performance guy back in the day had a Memorex 3279G
look-alike with its own printer that printed the screen image when the
hardcopy print key on the terminal's keyboard was pressed.

IBM may have had similar hardware, but OEM stuff was cheaper.

We did have a real 3279G which exhibited the "green lightning" while the
LPS (load programmed symbols) data stream was being processed.

Cheers,
Greg

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2017-11-27 17:16:50 UTC
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I would like to see x3270 support GDDM graphics. It would come in handy viewing the GDDM graphics displays the IBM Performance Toolkit for z/VM produces now without having the extra hassle of making a csv file, downloading it to Excel and making a graph there.

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2017-11-27 17:30:26 UTC
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On 11/27/2017 10:18 AM, Dave Jones wrote:
> I would like to see x3270 support GDDM graphics.


Did you ever write to Paul about that?


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On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:04:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe <***@PHOENIXSOFTWARE.COM> wrote:

>On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>>
>> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes
>> for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming
>> world...)
>
>   APAR Identifier ...... IT23290      Last Changed ........ 17/11/27
>   PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13
>
>
>   Symptom ...... IN INCORROUT         Status ........... INTRAN
>   Severity ................... 3      Date Closed .........
>   Component .......... 5639I7000      Duplicate of ........
>   Reported Release ......... D00      Fixed Release ............
>   Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG      Special Notice
>   Current Target Date ..              Flags
>   SCP ...................
>   Platform ............
>
>   Status Detail: Not Available
>
>   PE PTF List:
>
>   PTF List:
>
>
>   Parent APAR:
>   Child APAR list:
>
>
>   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
>   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
>   November 9, 2017.
>
>   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0
>
>   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>
>
>   LOCAL FIX:
>   None


Love the use of "We" in the error description. So IBM just installed and deployed
PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem. :-)

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On 11/29/2017 11:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
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>>   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
>>   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
>>   November 9, 2017.
>>
>>   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0
>>
>>   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>>
> Love the use of "We" in the error description. So IBM just installed and deployed
> PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem. :-)

Haha! They just took my PMR text verbatim as the APAR error description.
It says it all!

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