And, of course, the support we get here from Ed and John is outstanding. Edge to Ed on ICETOOLS and what-if questions though.
As to cost, it used to run me between $15-20K per year on twin 714s. YMMV because of different licensing issues and agreements, price per MSU, etc.
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Brian Westerman
Sent: Sun 2/1/2009 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Syncsort vs competitors
We have just over 700 clients and the current split on their configurations
seems to be that about 70% of them are using DFSORT. Which doesn't mean
anything to the "real" split in all sites, just the subset that we have
worked at, but I though might be interesting to toss out there.
In the few clients that I have spoken to in the past about their choice,
"difference" in cost never seems to come up as a "big deal" and it appears
that if you are running SYNCSORT, that IBM will "make you a deal" and
We have handled the conversions both ways, and I can assure it it's fairly
painless. The really funny thing (to me at least) is that most times their
choices are based on what we would probably consider to be "silly" if it
weren't that they were paying us to take care of something on their site.
Silly is probably a bad way to put it, but choosing your sort product on a
free poster/calendar/pen/ashtray or how "hot" your marketing rep looks is
really not a valid basis. Well, maybe it is, I suppose it depends on the
relative "hot-ness" compared to the ability to perform a sort really-really
There are some "philosophy" differences in how the products are implemented
and used, but I honestly can't say that one is "noticeably faster" or that
much "better" than the other for all types of tests. There are features
that each do better/faster, and of course that's what they push marketing
wise, but I'm sure that since you are currently running SYNCSORT, that if
you get your IBM' marketing rep's "BEST PRICE" that your current vendor will
meet or beat it. Both products have paid for their development and support
costs many times over, so they have nothing to loose in lowering their
price, except maybe upsetting other customers and getting you as a client
and away from the "other guy" :).
You probably have better things to do than change sort products, which again
I have to stress is not difficult, so unless IBM can give you a price that
Syncsort just refuses to meet (or beat), then you should just get the new
price and not worry about which one is "slightly" better because no matter
which one you choose, there will be something that the other one can do
They are both very good products, you can't loose either way except on
price. On the other hand, I hear that Syncsort is giving away free
tee-shirts again. :)
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