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Pew, Curtis G
2017-12-01 20:42:34 UTC
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This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.

The JCL reference says:

All temporary data set names begin as follows: SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname

Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary and arbitrary.
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Tony Harminc
2017-12-02 05:29:45 UTC
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Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary and arbitrary.
I know just one little bit about it. In MVT, this qualifier was RVnnn, and
I *think* it was RF in MFT. The RA came along with MVS. IIRC the A stands
for AOS (Advanced Operating System), one of the early names for MVS.

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Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
All temporary data set names begin as follows: SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary and arbitrary.
Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change
it<< but Frankie died..."

BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
it's 2?
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Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
2017-12-04 15:10:27 UTC
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IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by V2.

Kees.
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Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Post by Pew, Curtis G
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems
unnecessary and arbitrary.
Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change
it<< but Frankie died..."
BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
it's 2?
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Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by V2.
Kees.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
could report "Version 1" for decades.
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Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
2017-12-04 15:33:12 UTC
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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.
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Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
V2.
Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
Kees.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
could report "Version 1" for decades.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland
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jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie
jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do
jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie,
kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze
jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę
wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając
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2017-12-04 15:42:14 UTC
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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.
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IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
V2.
Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
Kees.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported
system could report "Version 1" for decades.
--
Radoslaw Skorupka
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nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem
upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej
rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o
podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne.
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2017-12-04 15:47:54 UTC
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humm, how about TCAM :)



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

Kees.
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Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
V2.
Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
Kees.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported
system could report "Version 1" for decades.
--
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Lodz, Poland
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But TCAM was replaced by VTAM

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humm, how about TCAM :)



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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exactly ! TCAM was used in the 70's
as Charles sez -


I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.





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But TCAM was replaced by VTAM

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DSS
JES
MF/2
MVS/SE
RES
RMF
RTAM
SAM-E
SMP
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exactly ! TCAM was used in the 70's
as Charles sez -


I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.





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But TCAM was replaced by VTAM

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humm, how about TCAM :)



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I recall the "everything must begin with V" era as being the 70's.

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Not really, except for its use with TSO. The real replacement for TCAM was MQ.


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Started working in Retail on the 70's Customer Appliance file was VSAM, other application master files were VSAM, anything accessed via CICS was VSAM for this retailer.



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70's? I can remember IBM proudly introducing VSAM early 80's. Or I must be mistaken, but there must be others with accurate memories.

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IIRC, there was a significant change in LISTCAT output, indicated by
V2.
Post by Vernooij, Kees - KLM , ITOPT1
Kees.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
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No lateer than 1976.


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I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1. ICF catalogs
introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.
Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
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Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
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ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.


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This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
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Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
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VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
MacDonald scored all 5 goals.

Anyway, our teacher at Sudbury asked this question:

"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".

Answer:

"They are both outstanding in their field".

16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus

Funny how things stick in your memory.

We were still ISAM many years later.....
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Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
and arbitrary.
Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
but Frankie died..."
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2?
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I'm not so "young" to remember that, however I vaguely remember I read
some VSAM book (bought for many $$$). The book was awfully outdated, so
I learned mostly VSAM history and obsolete features. It was ~13 years
ago, but I would bet VSAM was born in 1974.
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Post by Wayne Bickerdike
VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
MacDonald scored all 5 goals.
"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".
"They are both outstanding in their field".
16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus
Funny how things stick in your memory.
We were still ISAM many years later.....
Post by Seymour J Metz
ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.
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I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1. ICF catalogs
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Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
and arbitrary.
Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
but Frankie died..."
BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
it's
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Button 287 "VSAM is the COBOL of Access Methods" was by Tom McSloy at GUIDE
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I'm not so "young" to remember that, however I vaguely remember I read some VSAM book (bought for many $$$). The book was awfully outdated, so I learned mostly VSAM history and obsolete features. It was ~13 years ago, but I would bet VSAM was born in 1974.

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Post by Wayne Bickerdike
VSAM was no later than 1975. I was in a PL/I class at Sudbury in 1975.
Happened to be the week England beat Cyprus at Wembley 5-0 and Malcolm
MacDonald scored all 5 goals.
"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".
"They are both outstanding in their field".
16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus
Funny how things stick in your memory.
We were still ISAM many years later.....
Post by Seymour J Metz
ICF came in with DF/EF, which preceded MVS/XA.
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Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Since it's Friday
I think CVOL / VSAM catalogs in MVS was version 1. ICF catalogs
introduced during XA switchover period is version 2.
Post by Pew, Curtis G
This is just a curiosity question, but I’ve wondered about this.
SYSyyddd.Thhmmss.RA000.jjobname
Does anyone know the story behind the ‘RA000’ part? It seems unnecessary
and arbitrary.
Well, we used to answer "Frankie did this and he said >> do't change it<<
but Frankie died..."
BTW: almost every LISTCAT output contains "VERSION: 2" statement. Why
it's
2?
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Lodz, Poland
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I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
could report "Version 1" for decades.
But there might yet be code extant that checks for and requires
Version 2 (or higher).

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Here's what seems a bit more likely. Although IBM has long maintained loudly and forcefully that LISTCAT output 'is not a programming interface', every shop I've ever worked at has one or more execs that that parse LISTCAT output and take some sort of action. I can't imagine that anyone cares about 'V2', but somewhere there is at least one process that would break if the whole 'Vx' indicator were eliminated. It's weird but not broken.

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Post by R.S.
I was told it's from "VSAM Version 2", which was introduced in late
70's. So, nowadays it's completely pointless, since no supported system
could report "Version 1" for decades.
But there might yet be code extant that checks for and requires Version 2 (or higher).

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"Why is VSAM like a cow in the middle of a meadow".
Answer: "They are both outstanding in their field".
What a "moooooooooo-ving" joke... ;-)
Post by Wayne Bickerdike
16 April 1975: England's Malcolm Macdonald scores five against Cyprus
Funny how things stick in your memory.
Ya, tell me. Sometimes you remember things you rather want to forget.

Or, worse, your wife or your mother-in-law remember something you really want them to forget... ;-D
Post by Wayne Bickerdike
We were still ISAM many years later.....
I remember that struggle in my start of my career, where I was tasked to scan disks and try to read those ISAM datasets and copy the contents to VSAM or PS datasets.

No, of course, I will NOT retry that ISAM thing... ;-)

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